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09-13-2014, 12:33 AM
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Are the load ranges on LT tires the same as ST tires? Like, is a load range E tire rated for the same weight, whether it's a ST or an LT? Is an "E" always an "E?" If so, why would you ever want to use LT tires on a camper? There's no need for traction and cornering? Is there another reason to use LTs?
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09-13-2014, 12:39 AM
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Yes-the load ranges are the same, but... Everything I've seen says that an LT tire's load rating is 90% of its listed rating when used as a trailer tire.
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09-13-2014, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BigBaron
Yes-the load ranges are the same, but... Everything I've seen says that an LT tire's load rating is 90% of its listed rating when used as a trailer tire.
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IIRC, the 9% reduction is if you use P tires on a trailer. LT & ST no reduction.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=70
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09-13-2014, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Taranwanderer
Are the load ranges on LT tires the same as ST tires? Like, is a load range E tire rated for the same weight, whether it's a ST or an LT? Is an "E" always an "E?" If so, why would you ever want to use LT tires on a camper? There's no need for traction and cornering? Is there another reason to use LTs?
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The only acceptable load capacity description for Special Trailer (ST) trailer tires and Light Truck (LT) tires is the lettered load range. However, load ranges across those two designed tires are not compatible with each other. Here is an example; the LT235/85R16E has a load capacity of 3042# at 80 psi. The ST235/85R16E has a load capacity of 3640# at 80 psi. The internal construction materials allows the ST to carry more weight than the LT.
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09-13-2014, 06:47 PM
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Thanks, Coot!
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09-13-2014, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Airdale
The only acceptable load capacity description for Special Trailer (ST) trailer tires and Light Truck (LT) tires is the lettered load range. However, load ranges across those two designed tires are not compatible with each other. Here is an example; the LT235/85R16E has a load capacity of 3042# at 80 psi. The ST235/85R16E has a load capacity of 3640# at 80 psi. The internal construction materials allows the ST to carry more weight than the LT.
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So, according to this example, these two tires probably have a different load range, despite the fact that they're the same size physically--right? Or do they have the same load range because they have the same number of plys?
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09-13-2014, 11:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taranwanderer
So, according to this example, these two tires probably have a different load range, despite the fact that they're the same size physically--right? Or do they have the same load range because they have the same number of plys?
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Yes the load range is related to the ply rating of the tire.
The load range for LT tires cannot be compared with ST tires because they are from a completely different design. The internal structure of ST tires is comprised of materials larger and stronger than those of like sized LT tires.
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09-15-2014, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Airdale
Yes the load range is related to the ply rating of the tire.
The load range for LT tires cannot be compared with ST tires because they are from a completely different design. The internal structure of ST tires is comprised of materials larger and stronger than those of like sized LT tires.
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So, then again I ask--why would you want to use LT tires on your TT or 5-er if ST tires (of the same load range) are stronger then LT tires? What's the benefit of jumping over to a LT tire?
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09-15-2014, 05:41 PM
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IMO, from what I have learned about tires LT tires are much more resistant to road damage and speed related damage. The testing methods for an LT tire are about three times as stringent as the methods for an ST (according to Epenydad's post IIRC).
From personal experience, I have not seen an LT fail catastrophically without some form of damage, and they usually failed almost immediately.
We've all seen the pictures of ST tires...
I do not have a fiver, but have had many large commercial trailers for my construction company. I only used truck tires and we never had a problem with tires.
That's my two cents.
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09-15-2014, 05:44 PM
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09-15-2014, 11:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Airdale
The only acceptable load capacity description for Special Trailer (ST) trailer tires and Light Truck (LT) tires is the lettered load range. However, load ranges across those two designed tires are not compatible with each other. Here is an example; the LT235/85R16E has a load capacity of 3042# at 80 psi. The ST235/85R16E has a load capacity of 3640# at 80 psi. The internal construction materials allows the ST to carry more weight than the LT.
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Actually the Marathons are at a lower rating of 3420#.
The 378# difference would be completely irrelevant on a 5er with axles that are rated at 6000#s. Either tire overrates the axles. (3042 x 2= 6084)
LT's in the appropriate load range for the # axles is the way to go. Zero blowouts or concerns. I've been running them on trailers for 19 years. All the commercial flatbed goosenecks I've seen are running LTs too, and they're hauling alot more weight for alot more miles. If LT's hold up on the steer axle of my 4x4 crew cab diesel dually (heavy) they of course will handle the trailer axle weight.
Forest River is wise to this and are now equipping the Cedar Creek and others with LTs.
http://www.forestriverinc.com/FifthW...?page=features
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09-16-2014, 05:49 AM
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Could FR finally be responding to all the bent axles and tire blow outs? Hmmmm....
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09-16-2014, 09:03 PM
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As an aside here, I need to clarify something, so please correct me if I'm wrong. From what I can find online (which I know, isn't always gospel,) it seems that a tire's "load range" is just an indicator of the number of plys in the tire's construction, while the "load rating index" actually tells you how much weight a tire can carry. Does this sound right? And why do some tires have one but not the other? They sure don't make it easy to compare apples to apples, do they?
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09-17-2014, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Taranwanderer
As an aside here, I need to clarify something, so please correct me if I'm wrong. From what I can find online (which I know, isn't always gospel,) it seems that a tire's "load range" is just an indicator of the number of plys in the tire's construction, while the "load rating index" actually tells you how much weight a tire can carry. Does this sound right? And why do some tires have one but not the other? They sure don't make it easy to compare apples to apples, do they?
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Only LT and ST tires use the load range as a formula for figuring a tire’s load capacity at increments up to and including the maximum load capacity a tire is allowed to carry. Passenger tires use the load index/service description method for determining load capacity.
The charts for ST and LT tires are very similar in the way the load capacities are displayed. But it’s very important to remember to never use one for the other.
Airdale
p.s. Load range for LT & ST tires both refer to the old ply rating standard; I.e…a 10 ply rated tire is a load range E.
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09-17-2014, 05:39 PM
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I always use LT tires on my trailers. I don't do ST china bombs.
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09-17-2014, 10:42 PM
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I'm thinking it's going to have to be Goodyear Marathons. The 235/80R16 size has a load range E, load index of 3420#, and a speed rating Q (which is 100 MPH and will never be reached while I'm driving it!) Plus they're not made in China. The ST tires are better at handling more weight, I still don't see the advantage of using LT tires. But the China bombs gotta go for sure. The factory stocker Westlake tires have decent reviews, but they'll be coming off soon enough...
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09-18-2014, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Taranwanderer
I'm thinking it's going to have to be Goodyear Marathons. The 235/80R16 size has a load range E, load index of 3420#, and a speed rating Q (which is 100 MPH and will never be reached while I'm driving it!) Plus they're not made in China.
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As far as I can tell, ALL Goodyear Marathons are rated for 65 mph and are made in China now. Has this changed? Almost all tires are made in China. Sigh...
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09-18-2014, 05:55 AM
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Quote:
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As far as I can tell, ALL Goodyear Marathons are rated for 65 mph and are made in China now. Has this changed? Almost all tires are made in China. Sigh...
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The Goodyear Marathon tires that were on my 5th wheel were rated at 65 mph, made in China, and blew out(1) with 6K on the tire.
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10-25-2014, 01:31 PM
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I stand corrected: the Marathons are, indeed only rated to 65MPH. So LT tires it's going to be. Now, to get the load range I need, it looks like I'm going to have to jump up from a ST 235-80R16 to a LT 265-75-R16. Does anyone see any issues with this, as long as there's no clearance problems with the inch greater diameter?
The truck wants to run at 72 MPH in the right RPM range, and dropping to 65 kills me on every little hill...
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10-25-2014, 02:21 PM
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Going to a 265 from a 235 will be an increase in width by 30mm. As long as you have the room it shouldn't be a problem.
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