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06-20-2013, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by dustman_stx
Wow. Guess we're just backwoods here because I've never seen any of the multiple tire shops in my area torque them.
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And I thought Texas had the biggest and best of everything.
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06-20-2013, 11:59 AM
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I had a friend once tell me he didn't need a torque wrench - he knew how much force it took to lift 75 lbs and would just apply that with a breaker bar. He eventually managed to ruin the engine of an AMX Javellin.
Personally I have broken a couple bolt heads when I should have used a torque wrench. I keep it with the rest of the sockets now. The price of the wrench is worth saving the inconvenience caused when things are done wrong.
Craftsman 3/8-in. Dr. Beam Style Torque Wrench, 0-75 ft. lbs. - Tools - Wrenches - All Open Stock Wrenches
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06-20-2013, 12:18 PM
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How much problem does everyone have getting the plastic protective covers off of the lug nuts?
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06-20-2013, 12:36 PM
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OK, How to remove the plastic caps on the lugs?
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Originally Posted by wbdvt
How much problem does everyone have getting the plastic protective covers off of the lug nuts?
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Yes, use a torque wrench and check before each long haul.
Now, the plastic caps on the lugs are a pain to remove.
Any ideas?
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06-20-2013, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by wbdvt
How much problem does everyone have getting the plastic protective covers off of the lug nuts?
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What a PITA. Short of buying the correct tool, I use a pair of the free paint can openers available at Lowes or Home Depot.
Put one finger though the adult beverage opener loops, the lip of the lid tool opposite each other on either side of the plastic cover. Squeeze together and pull straight out.
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06-20-2013, 01:27 PM
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No problem, Phillips screwdriver, remove one screw on each wheel and off come the caps exposing the lug nuts. Take the caps off at home and leave them off the first day of travel so I can re-torque every 50-75 miles. Put them back on when we stop for the night.
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06-20-2013, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by OldCoot
No problem, Phillips screwdriver, remove one screw on each wheel and off come the caps exposing the lug nuts. Take the caps off at home and leave them off the first day of travel so I can re-torque every 50-75 miles. Put them back on when we stop for the night.
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I think he is referring to the kind that I have.
plastic "snap on" caps. (no screws)
Though mine are white.
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06-20-2013, 02:15 PM
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ALL of mine are tightened at the limit of my wrench ( 120+) from the factory. I guess I should loosen them all and retighten? the forest river caution says tighten but nothing about loosen.
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06-20-2013, 04:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by herk7769
What a PITA. Short of buying the correct tool, I use a pair of the free paint can openers available at Lowes or Home Depot.
Put one finger though the adult beverage opener loops, the lip of the lid tool opposite each other on either side of the plastic cover. Squeeze together and pull straight out.
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I'll bet we have a few in the garage. Thanks. I crimped a few using pliers and a piece of towel. They will probably fall of within a few years.
My son was enlisted Air Force LoadMaster on C-130 for four years, then college, ROTC, Flight School and was AC on KC-10. Now he is flying from the desert, chair-borne. He loved the C-130.
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06-20-2013, 04:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garbonz
ALL of mine are tightened at the limit of my wrench ( 120+) from the factory. I guess I should loosen them all and retighten? the forest river caution says tighten but nothing about loosen.
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Torque must be "set" while turning. So if they were over torqued you will need to loosen them to re-tighten to spec.
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06-20-2013, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by HorseyHauler
I'll bet we have a few in the garage. Thanks. I crimped a few using pliers and a piece of towel. They will probably fall of within a few years.
My son was enlisted Air Force LoadMaster on C-130 for four years, then college, ROTC, Flight School and was AC on KC-10. Now he is flying from the desert, chair-borne. He loved the C-130.
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Which unit? Schenectady or Niagara? If Niagara, I, or one of my students, might know him. PM me.
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06-20-2013, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by herk7769
Torque must be "set" while turning. So if they were over torqued you will need to loosen them to re-tighten to spec.
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if they ain't broke, why fix em? I personally think I will wait till I change tires or something before I mess with them. I understand the theory tho.
My son helped me work on the brakes on my sailboat trailer several years ago, and while towing back to storage, I watched one of my wheels pass me on the the wrong side of the road. limped on to the storage lot and had to replace the drum AND wheel. Now I double check them.
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06-20-2013, 05:54 PM
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OK, so I'm studying that diagram from the FR Owner's Manual that Herk posted. I'm assuming that the torque "stages" it refers to are when you're putting the tire back on the hub. When checking torque on a tire already on the hub, I should just set my torque wrench to 85 ft-lbs and see if the lugs move, right?
Doc
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06-20-2013, 05:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by herk7769
Torque must be "set" while turning. So if they were over torqued you will need to loosen them to re-tighten to spec.
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Please NOTE: If they have been over-torqued, they may have exceeded the proof strength of the bolt and theoretically should be replaced. Once the bolt has been stretched, it will not return to the original length or strength.
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06-20-2013, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SabreDoc
OK, so I'm studying that diagram from the FR Owner's Manual that Herk posted. I'm assuming that the torque "stages" it refers to are when you're putting the tire back on the hub. When checking torque on a tire already on the hub, I should just set my torque wrench to 85 ft-lbs and see if the lugs move, right?
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The torque depends on the size of the bolt and whether the wheel is steel or aluminum. Attached is a chart for alum. wheels. I set torque wrench to 105lb/ft and make it click twice on each nut.
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06-20-2013, 06:20 PM
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so now I have to replace all my bolts because FR overtorqued them... that will be an interesting warrantee claim...
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06-20-2013, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by garbonz
so now I have to replace all my bolts because FR overtorqued them... that will be an interesting warrantee claim...
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I doubt that the extra 1/8th of a turn to get from 85ftlb to 120 would stretch a bolt to the point of replacement. Besides the fact unless you just got it from the factory in the past month or so you may have a little corrosion or something else contributing to the extra feeling of over torque.
But good luck with the claim if you pursue it!
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06-20-2013, 06:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garbonz
so now I have to replace all my bolts because FR overtorqued them... that will be an interesting warrantee claim...
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Only if they agree they were over-torqued. A 1/2" fine thread gr 9 bolt(not gr8) will take 141 max on dry threads.
If your wrench will only go to 120lb/ft, I doubt if it is very accurate at that setting. You cannot verify the torque by loosening it. I don't know how you would go about proving they were over-torqued by the factory either.
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06-20-2013, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MillerTime
I doubt that the extra 1/8th of a turn to get from 85ftlb to 120 would stretch a bolt to the point of replacement...
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1/8 turn could very well exceed proof strength, that's 45° which is a bunch.
Take any bolt and torque it to max torque for that type & size and then go another 45° and see what happens.
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06-20-2013, 07:59 PM
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Oc- I believe your previous to last post contradicts what you just said and actually backed up what I said. What changed in the past couple minutes?
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