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Old 02-20-2016, 12:08 PM   #81
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We're not flying planes, we're driving or towing RVs here. "Air" is made up....... ETC. ETC. ETC.
First of all Nitrogen molecules when it comes to permeation ARE larger. Lots of reputable info on the web, if you missed it in physics.

http://www.getnitrogen.org/pdf/graham.pdf

Nitrogen also has several other advantages. Take a look at the beads on aluminum rims after a few years. See what often happens to the internal TPMS mountings after a few years.

HOWEVER, unless you get it for free, it isn't worth the price. I GET IT FOR FREE, SO I typically use it.
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I was an early adopter of synthetic oil too. I'm probably another "sucker" who bought into the hype of reduced wear, better mileage and longer oil change intervals (yes, I do UOA on occasion to verify).

Sorry, I have to go to Costco to get my tires topped off with N2.
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I was an early adopter of synthetic oil too. I'm probably another "sucker" who bought into the hype of reduced wear, better mileage and longer oil change intervals (yes, I do UOA on occasion to verify).

Sorry, I have to go to Costco to get my tires topped off with N2.

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katana pilot and spock123, good for you. Both Nitrogen and Synthetic oil ARE beneficial. The degree of benefit vs. cost is arguable. (My company did dyno testing for a lab on several off the shelf oils.) Synth is CLEARLY better in EVERY measurement, (but possibly overkill, depending upon your application and cost.) Nitrogen the same. But I like people who like the best...
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Oh no, we've morphed into an oil thread! The old synthetic argument. I agree, synthetic holds it viscosity better and a lot of other things. Even ultra conservative aviation industry is on board with this now.

Synthetic shines in very cold and very hot conditions. that's why nearly every transmission and differential comes with synthetic. Synthetic oil has probably prevent Harley from going to a water cooled engine.

I use it in my car because we run it to the limit and that's what they require for oil changes. On my Cummins, I don't run to 15K per oil change, so I use dino oil. I make a lot of short trips along with towing so I change it more often.
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katana pilot and spock123, good for you. Both Nitrogen and Synthetic oil ARE beneficial. The degree of benefit vs. cost is arguable. (My company did dyno testing for a lab on several off the shelf oils.) Synth is CLEARLY better in EVERY measurement, (but possibly overkill, depending upon your application and cost.) Nitrogen the same. But I like people who like the best...

I use synthetic oil in every motor I have. It's in the two Honda's that I have. It's in the lawnmower, in the lawnmower, I don't use regular gas. I use synthetic oil in DW Mercedas. I use air for tires now but when I get the 36CKTS I'll get the Goodyear 17.5 H rated tires, then nitrogen will be put in camper tires and truck tires. Then I'll get a tank to carry around to keep all the tires topped off. I know it's just dumb me but on my first Cedar Creek I put like 10,000 miles on camper and it never needed to be topped off with nitrogen, I had TST 507 on the tires. I guess I'm just pure stupid or dumb or both but I buy what I like and not what someone tells me to buy.


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I use synthetic oil in every motor I have. ...... I guess I'm just pure stupid or dumb or both but I buy what I like and not what someone tells me to buy.
Same here. I only use Nitrogen in the RV though. Just so people don't get confused ; It's Synthetic oil in the crankcase, and Nitrogen in the tires... (Don't reverse them.) (and N in the shock absorbers if so inclined. (BTW, most all high quality performance shocks use Nitrogen in them for the same reasons.)

And...You're not stupid or dumb, you just like quality. Last I heard there was nothing wrong with that.

I am not sure of why the push back on N. I understand that some people aren't up on Physics or Chemistry, but the negative noise on N is ridiculous. And. it is mostly from those that didn't do their homework. Yes, the advantage of N over Air, MIGHT not be worth the cost, but you can say the same about thousands of products. Acupuncture, Palm readings, many expensive "Brand Name" products, etc. N, IS functional and offers advantages over air. THAT is fact. BTW, actually, its not so much that N is good, but the fact that O2 is BAD. N is the cheapest, safest, easiest way to escape the damages of Oxygen and humidity. Now STOP this thread unless you have a degree in Physics, Chemistry or Engineering.
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speaking of Helium, would you get better MPG with helium since the vehicle would be lighter? Is it possible tht it could float right off the road?
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speaking of Helium, would you get better MPG with helium since the vehicle would be lighter? Is it possible tht it could float right off the road?

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I found it odd that the Expert above on Nitrogen filled tires,has Never said anything about Evacuating the O2 from all the mounted tires Before filling with the Nitrogen! Very few tire dealers have evacuation pumps to remove the Moist Air before installing the Nitrogen! Youroo!!
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