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Old 05-26-2019, 07:55 AM   #1
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Random thought - gooseneck for a short bed truck?

Looking at how various 5th wheel setups try to use short bed (SB) trucks. I started thinking a slight setback gooseneck would solve the sliding hitch mount problem for a lot less $$, while keeping the SB open and useful without moving a heavy hitch leaving bulky rails taking up space. I watched on one mount where you could pull the gooseneck ball and store it with the simple pull of a pin, cover the hole and have a full flat bed. Not so inexpensive, more like a tradeoff of loosing the hitch, REESE has a "goosebox" 5th wheel tongue replacement.
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Research the Sidewinder. In my opinion, by far the best option for 6.5' beds.
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Old 05-26-2019, 08:34 AM   #3
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From reading this forum and walking around campground. I believe most new 5th wheel manufacturers have eliminated the need for a sliding hitch. If going with older model you might need one. Attaching image of my set up. Yes its an 8 box and my companion hitch is set about as far forward as it can be. I think 6:5 bed would have plenty of clearance Click image for larger version

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Old 05-26-2019, 08:39 AM   #4
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Dealer cautioned me as the model of 5th wheel. Nose flex is possible and a gooseneck may not fully support your kingpin area? I would verify via manufacture prior to moving forward on swapping.
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I have the B&W ball we mounted under the bed. When the ball is reversed the bed is flat.

I had difficulty choosing between the Goosebox, Anderson and B&W hitch for the ball mount.

Choose the Anderson for best all around flexibility.

The Anderson moves the fiver the farthest back. Most clearance to the cab.

Goosebox scared me as it does not move the fiver back.

The B&W was heavy! But, very flexible.

If you want the ones that moves the pivot rearward the ball mounts cannot be used. Has to have a traditional mount or pucks.

Tough to choose.
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One CAN get by with a modern 5er and a 6.5 box. The only deal is you must be conscious of a possible issue when backing(I have dents to prove). With a pretty good spotter or easy spots or careful backing you can make it work. IMO if you are only using a ball mount then an Andersen or Goosebox type or similar is your only option. IMO NO ADAPTER
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As mentioned, one can get by with a short bed truck and fifth wheel.

And I have done so with the five 5th wheels we've had over the last 25 years or so.

It is often recommended the pin placement be 2" forward of the axle but I have always set mine about 3/4" ahead of the axle and in 25 years of owning a sliding hitch, I have never been in a situation where I've had to slide it.

If you look at the axle twist on a trailer when you turn 90 (or close to it) you'll soon understand you don't want to do that anyway.

I've seen tires rolled off the rim and spring center links flipped just from turning too sharp.

As Scott mentioned, the Revolution or Sidewinder is a viable option as well.
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Looking at how various 5th wheel setups try to use short bed (SB) trucks. I started thinking a slight setback gooseneck would solve the sliding hitch mount problem for a lot less $$, while keeping the SB open and useful without moving a heavy hitch leaving bulky rails taking up space. I watched on one mount where you could pull the gooseneck ball and store it with the simple pull of a pin, cover the hole and have a full flat bed. Not so inexpensive, more like a tradeoff of loosing the hitch, REESE has a "goosebox" 5th wheel tongue replacement.
You have to careful that the trailer frame warranty is not voided and undue stress is not put on the trailer frame. Not all gooseneck adapters are approved for use by the trailer manufacturers.

Personally my 5th wheel hitch comes in and out in less than a minute and is no issue removing or putting in.
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If you have other gooseneck type trailers that you pull, then a goosebox or gooseneck adapter is warranted for your fifth wheel RV.
Otherwise, I see no advantages to doing it.
As far as some newer fifth wheel noses giving enough clearance for 6.5' beds, close, but no cigar. I haven't seen any that are 90+ degrees. Even if it's 88 degrees, you still have to watch your cab. And true, I can count on one hand the number of times I actually needed to go 90+ degrees, but I really enjoy the fact that I don't ever have to watch the nose vs cab, even when at odd angles on uneven surfaces.
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Old 05-26-2019, 01:15 PM   #10
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Working through this right now. Been fulltime for 13 years, going halftime for the near future.

I traded in my 2005 F350 diesel dually long bed. on a 2019 F250 6 3/4 bed.
Ordered nearly all the trailer towing options Ford offers.

One of the useful features on the trailer towing instrument panel screen shows turn degrees, and climb or descent angle.

Backing the RV to the front cap 4 inches from the cab shows 35 degrees.

A full lock forward turn (not towing) is 39 degrees.

We did a test trip last week, never saw above 23 degrees in normal forward pulling, no backing as we had pull-throughs.

But, looking in the rear-view mirror, looks like the RV is SO close to the cab.

Problem now is pin weight. Rear of truck is squatting 4 inches, front up 1 inch when RV is hooked up. Airbags or TorkLift. Leaning toward bags.

Maybe a lighter RV this winter.
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