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Old 11-24-2013, 04:46 PM   #111
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rattleNsmoke, I'm glad to read your post. I'm rather tired of being picked apart for expressing my opinion. To be specific, I believe, if you stay in the same load rating, PT and LT tires are generally much superior than ST tires. Additionally, I have no confidence in tires produced in the far east. I would again suggest anyone to cut a section on comparable load tire, buff the cut on a grinder and compare components, sidewall stiffness, the thickness of the tread, end counts of fabric and steel belts, etc. With those two sections in your hand, form your own opinion. Decide from that, which tire you want supporting your load.

I assume you have done this "section" trick. Some photos would help explain why you think passengers tires will handle a trailer camper's load better than a tire specifically designed to do that...

I would also like to see a real world example of a specific passenger tire that has the same load range as an equivalent ST tire of the same size.

For example, my camper uses ST225/75R15 Load Range D tires rated to carry 2450 pounds at 65 PSI. I would LOVE to know which passenger car tire can do that.

http://www.treaddepot.com/tire/90000...FWrNOgodfxIAZA

This tire is a "similar" passenger tire but has a maximum load of 1874 at 44 PSI (the maximum the tire can handle).
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Old 11-24-2013, 05:19 PM   #112
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Most large, heavy, RV trailers can easily hold twice as much cargo weight than they are designed for. Add that factor to someone that's a little lackadaisical about their tire pressures and early tire failures are easy to predict.

Often owners with early ST tire failures will "plus size" with their replacement tires. When done properly a nice (extra amount) increase in tire load capacity reserve will be a byproduct of the replacement tire regardless of design.

When the upgrade is complete the pocketbook is lighter. The light bulb goes off and the owner's lackadaisical habits with trailer tires will diminish.

Better maintenance habits = less problems and longer tire lifespan.

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That sounds good but after reading many tire failure posts, more owners HAVE indeed taken care and precautions and still had ST failures. A friend of mine bought MY 2 year old Powermax Blowmaster's since I did not feel comfy using ST's on The Beast when it was placarded for LT's. He installed them on a 32ft Montana fiver. The trailer was packed lightly for just he and his wife. Second trip out he had one explode. This spring, we were on our way to a CG. A half hour out, he had the r\r tire tread literally peel off the carcass and rip apart his fender skirt and damage his underbelly liner. He got the tires real cheap and I forewarned him I took no responsibility if he had a blow out. I felt bad he had such bad luck, but he was warned. He now rides on Cooper LT's. There are plenty of stories out there. Take the time a do a search.
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Old 11-24-2013, 06:02 PM   #113
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That sounds good but after reading many tire failure posts, more owners HAVE indeed taken care and precautions and still had ST failures. A friend of mine bought MY 2 year old Powermax Blowmaster's since I did not feel comfy using ST's on The Beast when it was placarded for LT's. He installed them on a 32ft Montana fiver. The trailer was packed lightly for just he and his wife. Second trip out he had one explode. This spring, we were on our way to a CG. A half hour out, he had the r\r tire tread literally peel off the carcass and rip apart his fender skirt and damage his underbelly liner. He got the tires real cheap and I forewarned him I took no responsibility if he had a blow out. I felt bad he had such bad luck, but he was warned. He now rides on Cooper LT's. There are plenty of stories out there. Take the time a do a search.
I, for one, would have liked to know the load range on the ST tires and the weight of the Montana. Some of those Montana campers are really heavy normally, and with all that cargo space; easily overloaded.
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Old 11-25-2013, 09:19 AM   #114
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Herk, That info can prolly be found on the manufacturers web page. Powermax Towmaster 235/85/16. His Montana IIRC is several thousand lbs lighter than mine Dry and gross. I know he was not overloaded because he packed very scarce. I was quite surprised.
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Old 11-25-2013, 09:53 AM   #115
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Herk, That info can prolly be found on the manufacturers web page. Powermax Towmaster 235/85/16. His Montana IIRC is several thousand lbs lighter than mine Dry and gross. I know he was not overloaded because he packed very scarce. I was quite surprised.
Without the complete facts (actual weight, load range, and inflation pressure), this is anecdotal evidence at best.
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Without the complete facts (actual weight, load range, and inflation pressure), this is anecdotal evidence at best.
That said- manufacturing defects do occur and people do have issues. It doesn't, however, meant that an entire class of tires or brand or country of origin are instantly to blame.
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Anecdotal?? Stuff happens and unfortunately it happens all too often and you hear about it from owners using the ST tires. That is undeniably factual by reading the threads. Very rarely do you hear a peep from the ones running LT's. Re-enacting the actual weight on the trailer ain't gonna happen anytime soon since we're all batted down and emptied out for the winter. The lbs were set on 80 'cause I witnessed him checking\verifying. Those POS Blowmasters were a load range 'E'. Hey, the guy is not on trial here but maybe the crappy tire manufacturer should be.
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Anecdotal?? Stuff happens and unfortunately it happens all too often and you hear about it from owners using the ST tires. That is undeniably factual by reading the threads. Very rarely do you hear a peep from the ones running LT's. Re-enacting the actual weight on the trailer ain't gonna happen anytime soon since we're all batted down and emptied out for the winter. The lbs were set on 80 'cause I witnessed him checking\verifying. Those POS Blowmasters were a load range 'E'. Hey, the guy is not on trial here but maybe the crappy tire manufacturer should be.
Need to keep it civil here, no one said anyone was on trial. There are hundreds of thousands of trailers riding on ST tires and in comparison, relatively few trailers riding on LT tires. About all you hear about are those that have blowouts or problems. No one writes about the thousands that have no problems. I have towed all sorts of racecar trailers and rv trailers since 1976 and all but 1 had Goodyear ST tires and the one that didn't had a blowout to the tune of $1800+ damages. I still swear by ST tires as long as they are from a major brand mfg.
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I did not mean to offend. It is just we hear a lot of repeated "gossip" presented as fact because it was read off an internet site and repeated as first hand. I am sure this does not apply to any one here currently.

It just gives more weight (pardon the pun) to be as complete as possible. Just as I blamed my only blowout to "crappy foreign tires" until it was pointed out that a curb strike can cause damage that only shows up miles later. I had had a pretty severe hit a month earlier on that tire and it took a while for the broken belt to come apart.

Like I said, complete disclosure helps understand what is going on. It is far easier to blame "THEM" when sometimes the finger should be pointed at "US".
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...when sometimes the finger should be pointed at "US".
Once had a wise man tell me that "Remember when you point a finger at someone or something else, you have 3 pointing back at yourself."
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