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04-16-2012, 09:06 AM
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all feathered on the outside - except for the spare lol. all seem to be similar in pattern and tread being picked on.
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04-16-2012, 09:11 AM
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Sounds like a toe-in problem. Easily corrected though. Is it severe?
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04-16-2012, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by crocus
"The op asked if he should rotate under normal tire wear"
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No, the OP did not say that.
He wanted to know if he should rotate to "even out" the tire wear. That would indicate to me that he did not have "normal tire wear".
No need to make things up to prove some point.
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Not making things up to prove a point. Yes I read it wrong.
If you rotate the tires from side to side the tire will rotate the other way.
thus evening out tire wear.
Crocus he never said abnormal wear either.
Since trailer axles are not zero camber nor zero toe
And they do not have shocks they will wear with "cupping"
By rotating this in effect rolls the tires in the opposite
Direction there for "evening them out"
To the op yes rotating tires from side to side will even out tire wear.
Unless its very abnormal and obvious that there is an alignment needed.
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04-16-2012, 09:13 AM
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outside tread is almost worn 50 to 60 %
Thats from just bringing it home from Couch's and one outing trip locally. It goes in for a check this Thursday at a Non forest River dealer.
Neighbors 2012 Salem had a negative camber on the axles and needed them both replaced. 3000 miles and they were cooked on the insides
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04-16-2012, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MilCop4523
outside tread is almost worn 50 to 60 %
Thats from just bringing it home from Couch's and one outing trip locally. It goes in for a check this Thursday at a Non forest River dealer
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Now that would be abnormal tire wear.
its a toe issue
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04-16-2012, 09:17 AM
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Tires on a motor vehicle are rotated because of un-even wear caused by one thing- front steering axle. If a trailer's axles are properly aligned for your loaded trailer weight, you will have even flat wear on all tires with no benefits from a rotation.
Also radial tires should never be swapped side to side because your changing rotation and the stresses on the cords inside the tire will be pulled in the opposite direction causing fatigue ending in tire failure.
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04-16-2012, 09:18 AM
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MilCop, 50-60%? Yikes! yes, I'd say you do need to get it checked out!
turbo, "And they do not have shocks they will wear with "cupping". Sorry, but I have never experienced that. I would suggest the cupping is caused by another problem, probably out of balance. Like I said before, balancing the camper tires solves a lot of issues, and everyone should do it.
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04-16-2012, 09:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 87CrewDually
Tires on a motor vehicle are rotated because of un-even wear caused by one thing- front steering axle. If a trailer's axles are properly aligned for your loaded trailer weight, you will have even flat wear on all tires with no benefits from a rotation.
Also radial tires should never be swapped side to side because your changing rotation and the stresses on the cords inside the tire will be pulled in the opposite direction causing fatigue ending in tire failure.
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Respectfully Your last statement is just absurd sorry.
When you rotate tires on a car or truck don't tell me
they don't get criss crossed unless there directionals.
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04-16-2012, 09:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crocus
MilCop, 50-60%? Yikes! yes, I'd say you do need to get it checked out!
turbo, "And they do not have shocks they will wear with "cupping". Sorry, but I have never experienced that. I would suggest the cupping is caused by another problem, probably out of balance. Like I said before, balancing the camper tires solves a lot of issues, and everyone should do it.
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Agreed they should be balanced!
I will post a video later proving my point.
In our own versions we are both in affect "right"
I agree to disagree.
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04-16-2012, 09:32 AM
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Well that sure made for a healthy discussion
Obviously if one does not travel that much it's a moot point.
In 2 summers, I have accumulated close 18,000 mi of my tires and they are wearing out OK, well from a quick visual inspection.
I just wondered if rotation would make sense, as I do this rotation on my cars religiously.
It seems to me that trailer tires do more than just roll, they have different lateral g's or forces applied for example in turns and so on...
Thanks for your ideas.
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04-16-2012, 09:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by f1100turbo
Respectfully Your last statement is just absurd sorry.
When you rotate tires on a car or truck don't tell me
they don't get criss crossed unless there directionals.
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Sorry to disappoint you but I never criss cross them on anything I service. Front to back / back to front.
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04-16-2012, 09:43 AM
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GM shows rotating tires side to side and front to back and Goodyear and Tire Kingdom also rotates them likewise. I think it is just a personal preference. When radial tires first came out, they were definitely directional and were not to be switched from side to side. Over the years, this has been corrected by the newer designs on radial tires and criss crossing is now ok.
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04-16-2012, 09:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 87CrewDually
Sorry to disappoint you but I never criss cross them on anything I service. Front to back / back to front.
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I'm just following the thread to see if I should rotate the trailer tires, but this comment about how you rotate the TV tires... isn't that a little unusual?
At least according to Michelin.
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04-16-2012, 09:56 AM
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In my many years as an auto mechanic, working several different shops ranging from Allied Tire Service, Firestone, and Ford the only time we criss-crossed the tires was on front wheel drive vehicles. Even then we crossed the front tires to the rear and brought the rear tires straight to the front. Therefore, if your tires are wearing unevenly you have underlying problems that cannot be solved by simply rotating them. It would be like putting a bandaide on a broken bone, it might look good but it's still broke.
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04-16-2012, 09:58 AM
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So according to Michelin it has nothing to do with the tires themselves, but with what type drive train is in the vehicle.
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04-16-2012, 10:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 87CrewDually
Sorry to disappoint you but I never criss cross them on anything I service. Front to back / back to front.
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Well of course that's your preference not industry standard.
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04-16-2012, 10:27 AM
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"Also radial tires should never be swapped side to side because your changing rotation and the stresses on the cords inside the tire will be pulled in the opposite direction causing fatigue ending in tire failure."
If that was true, a drive tire could not also be used as a braking tire.
You would have to have one set of drive tires and one set of braking tires on every vehicle.
Please explain to me why the drive axle on my truck has brakes.
How do you explain a 4 wheel drive vehicle that has 2 axles where both axles are equipped with brakes?
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06-12-2012, 04:38 PM
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I NO LONGER HAD BLOWOUTS ONCE i STARTED ROTATING AND BALANCING.
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06-12-2012, 04:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Down the Road
I NO LONGER HAD BLOWOUTS ONCE i STARTED ROTATING AND BALANCING.
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Hmmmmm that's interesting!
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06-12-2012, 05:27 PM
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I had a Sandpiper 5th wheel for over 6 years and never rotated the tires...never replaced a tire and never had a flat/blowout (knocking on wood very hard). I never experienced cupping or feathering and checked them regularly before each trip.
I too had wondered about it with my new 5th wheel, but...unless I see signs of abnormal wear or have cause...I don't expect I'll rotate them.
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