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Old 03-12-2014, 10:15 PM   #21
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I don't know anybody who winters up here in northwest MT in a Cardinal, but... Up the road from me there is a couple who have spent all winter in a Arctic Fox. Many days far below zero. They did have skirting around the base.
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Old 03-13-2014, 04:09 AM   #22
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Here are the r values of cardinal. I haven't seen any much higher but maybe mobile suite and not sure about trilogy.Attachment 47602
Look at the wall cons't it plainly says, foam R-9, The wall in an arctic fox is R-18 in the walls That is where I get my information from. Good luck and take a lot of long johns. FR doesn't have a true 4 season camper no matter what the sales person is telling you. Like I said you could live in a shack with the right precautions. I did not see anywhere that say's it's a 4 season trailer and that was your question. Well you better look harder READ THE WALL INSULATION AGAIN
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Good deal i am on to greener pastures.

When we start not reading the post correctly and who posted what I move on.
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Gklurcyzk. You seem to have some anger issues putting things in red and caps. Maybe you need a breath of fresh air. Come on over to my FR next winter
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Old 03-13-2014, 08:05 AM   #25
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Gklurcyzk. You seem to have some anger issues putting things in red and caps. Maybe you need a breath of fresh air. Come on over to my FR next winter
No anger issues, just wanted to grab your attention on things that you might have missed, for all I care you can live in a tent. Good luck on picking the right trailer for your adventure.
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Old 03-13-2014, 10:10 AM   #27
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Is it safe to say that anybody in Minnesota can live in a cardinal during the winter especially this one we last had? We are contemplating on purchasing a cardinal and just want to make sure that we can live and in the winter.
Go to the link in post #7. Read all the posts about living in an Rv in the winter!!
The family there finally packed it in! I don't think it can be done comfortably in the northern winters!! Like someone said you can live in a tent, but you won't like it!! Go to the link in post #7, ok I think I made my point.
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BSwagg,

Arctic Fox is one option as others have mentioned, but to me the obvious choice for a true cold weather rig is the Excel Winslow made by Peterson Industries in Kansas. They warranty them for four-season use, and are guaranteed in -10 weather so long as you option them with the dual pane windows and winterizing package. The interior appointments in the Excel are also on a par with the Cardinal (as is the MSRP); whereas IMO, the Arctic Fox is not. They are well-built trailers, but have a 'simpler' look when it comes to fit and finish, and amenities.

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You can probably rent a one bedroom apartment for much less than you will pay for a new rig and a lot of LP. Here in Wisconsin a lot of trailer parks have trouble when it gets really cold. Incoming water freezes, outgoing black freezes, a lot of hassle for what it's worth. These are double wides that I assume are insulated a little better and have a more efficient furnace. Good luck!!


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Don't do it. That Cardinal has the same R9 walls as R9 walls in the Columbus in that 385BH in Minnesota winter story. What will fail is frozen pluming that is away from heated basement (rear of rv), ice dams on roof causing leaks and failure, water on inside of windows from frost melting ruining wall finishes on inside, freezing up of gray/black tank dump line outside of rv, etc. Electronics fail too ala furnace and fridge quit working. Remember the electronics for those is outside, not inside. Corrosion on circuit board terminals is a big issue also.

4 seasons means 105įF above to 15įF above. That is 4 seasons in most of USA. Any hotter or colder that that temp spread, and systems start to fail. You have to do modifications to the RV to survive a real MN winter. And even with modifications, the RV still has problems.

I spend overnight events in high end ice fishing RVs. You know, those big 8 hole luxury party barge houses on ice. Those are way more insulated than an RV and they don't have plumbing in them. The furnace runs very frequently! Most of them have to use a 60 or 100 pound propane tanks as you will go through 20 -30 pound tank of propane in no time. When it gets to that 20 to 40 below zero nonsense, propane tanks freeze up and the furnace doesn't work.

Go study construction on an Ice Castle fish house. Then compare it to your RV. Go study mobile home construction. You will then really understand that a luxury 5th wheel RV in a MN winter extreme cold temps will be a disaster waiting to happen.

Want more real world extreme cold RV entertainment and knowledge? Go look up you tube videos of people trying to survive RV life in the North Dakota oil fields during winter.
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