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Old 03-03-2011, 09:53 PM   #1
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New Cardinal

We've been looking at new fiver for the last several months. We have a 2008 Cardinal and it's been a good rig. Is it just me the new Cardinal's doesn't appear to be the same quality as the one we have. For one thing we have all oak trim with lot's detail. The new rigs are hardwood, not sure what kind, but stained to cover up the wood and far less detail. Workmanship doesn't appear to be as good as ours. They also are making them bigger, not what we are looking for. I want something that I can use my present 3/4 ton diesel and do not want a bigger truck. Also far fewer dealers handling Cardinals. Maybe we will just remodel what we have. Also when I write to get some infomation on what's new, I don't hear anything back from them.
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Old 03-04-2011, 05:44 AM   #2
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Everything you have said is true. They are bigger and less detail and cost more. Almost sounds like you are talking yourself into keeping your present 5th wheel. If your rig is still solid and no roof leaks etc I'd say keep it and invest a few bucks to make it better. What ideas did yo have to remodel? It is only 2008.

New tires
New Brakes
Roof re-sealed
Maybe a new mattress
A better flat screen TV
Central vacume system
Install an electric fireplace if you have room

What else could you be thinking?

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Old 03-04-2011, 12:42 PM   #3
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We would replace the furniture and get something more comfortable. We have a new pillow-top mattress. I would put disks brakes on. We would re-carpet, or maybe replace the carpeting with a solid floor and just use rugs. This small area the carpet wears fast. Our slides need some work, they go in and out but jump around in the process, and I think it’s time to replace the seals. When it gets warm the caulk from the factory ozoos out sticks to the rubber gaskets and pulls them out. When this happens, we can’t put the slides back in. For 4 years I’m cleaned them off and put tape over the area but I still need to re-work the seals. The one thing we don’t like and I’m not sure there is anything we can do is the toilet area is real small, in fact you need to set sideways, and we’re not big people. I would have all the natural oak trim re-finished. I would add some type of rock protection to the front. We would add a second flat screen to the bedroom.
We’re getting lots of rust underneath, on the frame and suspension system, over the years I’ve cleaned it off and re-finished with rust proof paint, but that area needs some work.

We like Cardinal, the company has been great to work with in the past. If we had a question they would get right back to us. Because of their customer service is the reason we were looking at new Cardinals, but as I said before I like what we have compared to the new models. We are also looking at different companies. At this time we like the Carriage Cameo.
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Old 03-04-2011, 01:01 PM   #4
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Well after what you said I'd consider trading it in on a new one. The prices should be dropping as many dealers can't get them sold. I'd go and test the waters and see what's out there that fits your needs.
You really know what you want and need. Go for it!

Here is a link to NADA.com and you need to checkoff what you have on your trailer and then see what the trade-in value is. I just checked and was very surprised at your value and I didn't add any options.
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Old 03-04-2011, 03:19 PM   #5
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Not sure what this means on a trade but here is what our rig comes in at:

Suggested List Price Low Retail Average Retail
Base Price $52,260 $29,270 $35,260

I did see one at a dealer the next model down from us that the dealer was asking $39,000.

I would think that I should get somewhere between $25,000 and $29,000 in on trade. Now what to see what discount I can get off a new one. I don't think I want to sell it ourselfs, our motorhome took me over a year to sell it and that was when the market was in better shape than it's now.

Thanks for the help.
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Old 03-04-2011, 03:27 PM   #6
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Not sure what this means on a trade but here is what our rig comes in at:

Suggested List Price Low Retail Average Retail
Base Price $52,260 $29,270 $35,260

I did see one at a dealer the next model down from us that the dealer was asking $39,000.

I would think that I should get somewhere between $25,000 and $29,000 in on trade. Now what to see what discount I can get off a new one. I don't think I want to sell it ourselfs, our motorhome took me over a year to sell it and that was when the market was in better shape than it's now.
Thanks for the help.
This should give you a basic idea what you can do in todays market.
My 2011 Rockwood Signature Ultra Lite 30ft 5th (2 slides) listed for over $38,400
and I get them down to $31,310 out the door. That included Lic, tax and no trade-in

As per NADA low book is $34,000 and high is $36,000 so I feel I made a good deal.
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Old 03-13-2011, 11:02 AM   #7
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Im looking at buying my first 5th wheel, which will be a new cardinal. Are these 5th wheels any good? Im just asking because this is my first one and I don't want to end up being miserable later on.
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Old 03-13-2011, 12:10 PM   #8
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Im looking at buying my first 5th wheel, which will be a new cardinal. Are these 5th wheels any good? Im just asking because this is my first one and I don't want to end up being miserable later on.
Please repost this question in a new thread. It is a diversion of the original post.
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Old 03-17-2011, 05:56 PM   #9
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i wouldn't buy another. i discovered the frames aren't very well made. after a few years they fall apart and i found some other disturbing manufacturing problems. i'll be looking at a luxury KZ model or mobile suites type of 5th wheel. the quality just isn't there.
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Old 03-17-2011, 06:04 PM   #10
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Our 2008 has been a good rig, we use it a lot, have about 50,000 miles on it and the frame and the main parts of the rig are good. I just don't feel the quality is as good for the new units. We are just about ready to place an order for a Cameo. They do cost more money than the Cardinal and we like it, but for the money we've really liked our Cardinal and especially the service we've had from the factory.
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