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Old 06-07-2016, 07:22 PM   #21
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What the US RV industry needs is competition from companies that understand real vehicle engineering an build quality.

Detroit got its clock cleaned when Toyota, Honda etc came in with vehicles with good quality.
Maybe the Koreans can come to the US market and do the same for "Elkhart"

Today you can buy cars with 3 - 10 year warranty on various components. You do not have to take your Ford to Dearborn or your Honda to Marysville, OH etc to get a problem fixed. IMO the RV companies are banking on the idea that few owners will use their RV more than 3 months in the first year and if there is a problem then the dealer may simply be too busy to do the work in a reasonable time.

Would you tolerate leaving your car at a dealership for 4 weeks, and have no replacement vehicle offered, while a part is ordered?

The argument that an RV is a House on wheels just doesn't fly. How can every car sold in the US today have at least 3 year coverage on the 12v electric system but you can't more than a few months out of the 12v system in your RV?
Look at the quality of the wiring and connectors. I have seen some parts at Harbor Freight that look better than what I have found hidden behind panels in my motorhomes.
This is a very interesting post that you have just laid out. I agree with what you have said. It is a shame that we as consumers are at there beckon ways. I also agree with your statement about what causes blowouts and belts breaking in the tires at the bead of the rim that is just rotting out. We can not see that when we inspect our tires yet people still believe that the only thing that will break a belt is co called curbing or over loading. The question is that how do we as consumers stop this from letting RV manufacturers continue with there ways. We all spend good money on our RV's I do not know of to many people who do not do there best to maintain there RV's. Yet it it seems we all still have the same problems that has been posted on this forum for as long as I have been on it. When I was at a factory tour 3 years ago the question was asked about the tires just one of many. FR answer was that if we offered a upgraded tire that would say they are not putting the best tire on. That same sentiment also go's for everything else you pointed out. They just will not change unless they can't sell RV's and people are flocking to buy them. So what is the answer, I really do not know. It is just not FR alone it is all manufactures no matter if it's a provost or a FR. Thanks for taking your time and being on this forum, I know I have learned a ton from you and also our members..
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Old 06-07-2016, 07:40 PM   #22
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Old 06-08-2016, 08:38 AM   #23
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This is a very interesting post that you have just laid out. I agree with what you have said. It is a shame that we as consumers are at there beckon ways. I also agree with your statement about what causes blowouts and belts breaking in the tires at the bead of the rim that is just rotting out. We can not see that when we inspect our tires yet people still believe that the only thing that will break a belt is co called curbing or over loading. The question is that how do we as consumers stop this from letting RV manufacturers continue with there ways. We all spend good money on our RV's I do not know of to many people who do not do there best to maintain there RV's. Yet it it seems we all still have the same problems that has been posted on this forum for as long as I have been on it. When I was at a factory tour 3 years ago the question was asked about the tires just one of many. FR answer was that if we offered a upgraded tire that would say they are not putting the best tire on. That same sentiment also go's for everything else you pointed out. They just will not change unless they can't sell RV's and people are flocking to buy them. So what is the answer, I really do not know. It is just not FR alone it is all manufactures no matter if it's a provost or a FR. Thanks for taking your time and being on this forum, I know I have learned a ton from you and also our members..
Try this question to the RV company. Why don't you apply tires that have at least a three year warranty as you get on your passenger car? Related is why his company can't offer a 12v system good for more than a few thousand miles while car companies can cover their 12v systen for 36 to 50,000 miles.
The use of the "We would get blamed" doesn't fly when you look at options on pick-up trucks. Why do they offer HD packages or extra cooling packages.
I would challenge the RV guy telling you this if he ever bought a new car and looked to see if there were any options other than color.
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Old 06-08-2016, 12:00 PM   #24
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Sorry to hear about your incident. After reading about Sailuns in the forum, I did a bit of checking. Seems Sailun is a house brand for TBC. As an ole buyer, just wonder who manufactures them and controls the quality?
We are running Goodyear G 116 index. Although, we have only a bit over 8k miles on them. We run 115lbs of air pressure in them.

Hope all turns out well for y'all!
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Sorry to hear about your incident. After reading about Sailuns in the forum, I did a bit of checking. Seems Sailun is a house brand for TBC. As an ole buyer, just wonder who manufactures them and controls the quality?
We are running Goodyear G 116 index. Although, we have only a bit over 8k miles on them. We run 115lbs of air pressure in them.

Hope all turns out well for y'all!
More accurately TBC is the US distributor for Sailun Tire Co

One thing that is a definite plus for me as tire QA engineer, they are ISO9001 Quality Management System Certification, ISO14001 Certificate of Environmental Management System, ISO/TS16949 Certificate, Certificate for China Compulsory Product Certification, EU ECE certificate, US DOT certificate, INMETRO certificate of Brazil, SIRIM certificate of Malaysi.

There may be other tire companies that are ISO9001 certified but the only brands on the major car companies are from companies that are ISO9001.

No ISO no sales to "Detroit"

If anyone knows of other ISO cert brands from China it would be interesting to see a list. I also note that Sailun puts their name on their tires while many/most of the "container babies" on TT do not put the name of the producing tire company on their tires.

Wonder why they don't put their name on the tires?????
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More accurately TBC is the US distributor for Sailun Tire Co

One thing that is a definite plus for me as tire QA engineer, they are ISO9001 Quality Management System Certification, ISO14001 Certificate of Environmental Management System, ISO/TS16949 Certificate, Certificate for China Compulsory Product Certification, EU ECE certificate, US DOT certificate, INMETRO certificate of Brazil, SIRIM certificate of Malaysi.

There may be other tire companies that are ISO9001 certified but the only brands on the major car companies are from companies that are ISO9001.

No ISO no sales to "Detroit"

If anyone knows of other ISO cert brands from China it would be interesting to see a list. I also note that Sailun puts their name on their tires while many/most of the "container babies" on TT do not put the name of the producing tire company on their tires.

Wonder why they don't put their name on the tires?????

Hello Tireman

Great thoughts shared!

I worked for an automotive brake manufacturer with facilities in China. Simply said, any certification can be purchased. And as for Detroit, "recalls". Need I say more about quality systems in Detroit? Further, you would be amazed at part failures that do not rise to the level of recall.

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Great thoughts shared!

I worked for an automotive brake manufacturer with facilities in China. Simply said, any certification can be purchased. And as for Detroit, "recalls". Need I say more about quality systems in Detroit? Further, you would be amazed at part failures that do not rise to the level of recall.

Like anything, you must rely on a solid foundation of mission with steadfast leadership of great caring people!

In theory ISO cert is checked by "super auditors" from LLoyds. Not saying it can't be "bought" but having worked on both sides (internal and external auditor) it was real for the tire companies here in the US and would be surprised if non-us suppliers didn't have to prove themselvs to "Detroit" also.

Plus warranty returns are followed very closely by Detroit. I had twice annual review with GM going over individual parts with GM management. We had to explain and if issue was our fault we had to pay for replacement as the associated warranty costs which were more than the cost of the part so this audit was taken very seriously as it would affect future contracts.
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Old 06-08-2016, 05:10 PM   #28
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Yes, in theory ISO looks pretty good. I worked with a company that was getting ISO certification and half way through the process they changed their mind. Everyone agreed it followed the concept of "it's not what you do, it's what you put in writing". The feeling was the process of documentation was so cumbersome it would take away efforts to continue producing a quality product.

But, ISO created a giant cash cow for the folks who started the concept. Probably European.
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I don't know a lot about the certification for the Sailun tires. I do know what I have observed.
In our traveling work group. The majority of the heavy ( over 15000 gvwr) 5ers are riding on Sailun S637s. We travel approximately 18-20000 miles a year. We have had no problems with the Sailun brand.
As long as you take care of them. Don't over inflate, under inflate, curb or abuse them.
We ran our last set 5 years. They never gave a bit of trouble.
I don't really care where they were made. All I know is they get the job done.
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If anyone knows of other ISO cert brands from China it would be interesting to see a list. I also note that Sailun puts their name on their tires while many/most of the "container babies" on TT do not put the name of the producing tire company on their tires.

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