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Old 05-22-2018, 08:57 AM   #1
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Short bed Turn point tech

Just purchase 2018 Shasta Phoenix 370FE have a TV GMC 3500HD SB will I have good enough turning with the Turn point tech or do I need slide Hitch
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Old 05-22-2018, 09:05 AM   #2
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I am not familiar with the turn point tech? But ive never used a slider hitch. Ive towed several 5ers with multiple short bed trucks including a 5 foot bed ram. I have always used the Anderson Ultimate to avoid heavy expensive slider hitches and have never had an issue.
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Old 05-22-2018, 12:06 PM   #3
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I have towed for 10 + years with a slider hitch, a manual slider from Reese in my short bed trucks. I would not pull any type of 5th wheel trailer in a short bed truck without a slider hitch in the truck.

I just purchased a Demco Highjacker Autoslider hitch today from PPL Motor Homes to replace my Reese 10 year old hitch.

I have found there are two types of users who tow a 5th wheel with a short bed truck. Those that have hit the cab and those that will hit the cab. (Even if they won't omit it.)
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Old 05-22-2018, 12:17 PM   #4
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The turn point is a pin box similar to the Reese Sidewinder. It's specifically made to move the pivot point back in the bed for short bed trucks. You should not need a slider with that type of pin box.

FWIW - my truck has a 6.5 foot bed. I have a standard pin box and purchased a slider hitch. I have to turn very tightly to back into my driveway and have not come anywhere near the cab (I still have never actually used the slider). My trailer does have angles in the bottom of the nose cap so that helps a lot with clearance.
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Old 05-22-2018, 12:49 PM   #5
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I have a 300 LB Reese 16K Pro Slider hitch in my 2015 Chevy 2500HD Double Cab gasser...

My 5'ver does have the 90 degree turning radius front corners...

I've never had to slide it yet in three years...

But I'd rather have it and not need it than to need it and not have it!
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Old 05-22-2018, 12:54 PM   #6
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I have found there are two types of users who tow a 5th wheel with a short bed truck. Those that have hit the cab and those that will hit the cab. (Even if they won't omit it.)
Can't disagree more. All I will buy is trucks with 6.5' beds. When we started pulling fifth wheels we installed a sidewinder with standard hitch. No worries, ever. Just moved from fiver to fiver until we upgraded to fifth airborne sidewinder (air ride). We have never even come close to the cab.

We also did not like any of our friends sliders. Too heavy, take up too much bed room, and seemed to bind when you needed them most.

But different strokes for different folks. Glad you are happy with your choice.
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Old 05-22-2018, 01:37 PM   #7
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With the Lippert Turning Point pinbox, you cannot use a slider hitch unless the lockout bolts are put in to prevent it from rotating at the rear pivot point. Putting in the lockout bolts turns it into a normal pinbox.

The Lippert Turning Point looks like a copy of the Reese Revolution/Sidewinder.

For short bed pickups, you have these choices (in no particular order):
- Reese Revolution/Sidewinder pinbox, used with a wedge
- Lippert Turning Point pinbox, used with a wedge
- Andersen Ultimate hitch
- Slider hitch

I found a video on YouTube of your 5er and it looks like it has a nicely rounded front end so the Turning Point pinbox should work fine as long as you unlock it and use a proper wedge for your standard hitch.

Remember that opinions expressed on internet forums are worth exactly what you paid for them! You'll have to decide for yourself what to do.
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Looks like Revolution and Turning Point are OEM installed only. Sidewinder is aftermarket and has air ride models.
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I've got 30 yrs towing fivers with GM 6.5' bed trucks. I do not use any slider, especially with today's fivers with rounded front caps. Certainly, if you have a pin box like the Sidewinder, then you don't need a slider. In fact, with that pin box, the fiver will be slightly easier to back up and will not cut inside the tow vehicles rear track as bad as a fixed pin box.

But I will add one more point, jack-knifing a trailer at 90 degrees puts a lot of stress on the trailer suspension, tires and wheels. So it is not something you really don't want to do. And while I have no proof, the extra stress on tires at 90 degrees probably adds to the probability of later tire failure, even leaf spring and wheel bearing failures.

Jockying a fiver back and forth a few times will accomplish the same results with less stress.
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