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Old 07-25-2015, 12:00 PM   #1
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A-Frame camping - might get to 30 degrees at night

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Although it's the middle of summer, I will be camping at high elevations next week and it's predicted that one night might get down to 30 degrees (60s/70s by day). If I have a full water tank and the hot water heater on, should I worry about anything freezing/breaking? There is no outside water connection so will be using only what's self-contained in the TR12B camper.

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Old 07-25-2015, 03:56 PM   #2
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As long as you run a heater/furnace a little bit to keep it around 40, the radiant heat will keep your lines moving. We did 22 in a popup and were fine.
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Old 07-25-2015, 04:10 PM   #3
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your water heater does not effect anything ...
basically the aframes are set up with two diffent lines for water to the faucets .. blue for cold .. and red for hot. you may have noticed that when opening the fridge to either ignite or turn on the as/dc the water lines run right by the lower intermals of the the fridge ..lined up across the flooring.
your biggest issue will be drawing from the tank .. which will freeze at the slightest wind below 32F or 0C.

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Old 07-25-2015, 09:23 PM   #4
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A light freeze at night with warmish days should be no problem for the water system, IME. If you get concerned, you can set the WH bypass valves to bypass, then pull the low point drains and open the faucets to mostly empty the plumbing system at night. Let us know how the trip goes.
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Old 07-25-2015, 09:46 PM   #5
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Last Fall at Yellowstone we had several nites in a row where low temperatures were running in the mid 20's. I did nothing. When the night time forecast went to 16 degrees, I panicked and drained the water heater and FW tank, and pulled the low-point drains. Everything came through just fine.

Interior temp dropped to 26 that night, but we were cozy warm in our sleeping bags. Used a Little Buddy heater in the morning to take the chill off before coffee/breakfast. (Don't care much for the noisy furnace.)

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Old 07-26-2015, 04:15 PM   #6
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the problem is not your interior water works .. but your exterior water tank.... and its waterworks .. so to speak.
basically what happens on these cold to colder evenings is that the line freezes between the fresh water tank and water pump ... causing no water flow .. and major headaches.

low point drains will not address this issue ... nor will heat within the Aframe.

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Old 07-27-2015, 05:51 PM   #7
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April 2014, we took our then brand new A122 dry camping in Aurora, CO for our first trip. Low temp that night was 27, high was 58 day before, and 60 day after. Ran the heater set at 55 degrees, pushed up to 70 just after sunrise to warm things up for DW. With the water tank set directly below (touching) a non-insulated wafer-board floor, I wasn't worried. And I had no freezing of the tank or pipes. Bottled water left at the picnic table did freeze.

The foam-cored upper walls and roof made for a much warmer camper (and less heater use) than our previous PUP.

We were supposed to camp 2 nights, but smelled a propane leak Saturday morning, and made a warranty trip to Denver dealer. Turned out to be a bad casting where propane hose joined to propane pipe at the outside front of the camper.

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Old 07-27-2015, 06:07 PM   #8
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this is not about freezing interior lines ... its about exterior lines ... once again from the bottom exterior cold water tank to the pump.

just from my experience .. dont bother with your water tank below 32F.

been there ... done that .. j

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Old 07-27-2015, 06:27 PM   #9
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You do have a point, d=mo.
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I suspect that radiant heat through the floor of a 55 deg (or higher) inside temp trailer will keep the fresh water lines warm enough not to freeze. Strong winds blowing under the trailer could be a concern.
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