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Old 11-03-2015, 11:41 AM   #1
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Aframe Tire Pressure

Do you guys run the air tire pressure at the recommended psi on the tire sidewall? Or do you have other factors you consider? I have a 2014 a122s with the small tires.. they were "nitro filled".. I'm probably going to use free air.. what do you think?
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Old 11-03-2015, 01:35 PM   #2
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I run at max cold tire pressure as shown on the sidewall. If I am checking the pressure on an extremely hot day, I will air up a couple of pounds less than max.
I also tow about 58 mph with those small tires.
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Old 11-03-2015, 02:13 PM   #3
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I have to look again.. I think it's 50 psi, cold.
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Old 11-03-2015, 03:19 PM   #4
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I run at the tire's max air pressure (65 PSI), perhaps plus up to 3lbs. Factors I think about:

- has the tire been rolling in the past 12 hours (add some because it hasn't cooled back to cold pressure).
- am I taking the a-frame to a significantly higher or lower altitude (add some if going lower). This matters in Colorado because it easy to change altitude by 5K ft in less than a day's driving.

The only real issues with going a few lbs over max is a slightly rougher ride if the camper is loaded very lightly, and excessive wear in the center of the tread (I've never seen this on a trailer).

Since I have an air compressor at home, and the a-frame stays in the garage, I simply check and add air (65 - 68 PSI) before each trip. My trips are 4-5 day weekends at most, so I don't check the air again until the next trip.

My 2014 A122 Westlake tires are rated for 1710lbs (3420 total), and I normally trailer at 2800-2900 lbs (grew 100lbs this year with more gear). That gives enough reserve that loss of 1-2 PSI during a trip is not an issue. I normally tow at 65-68 MPH on the interstate; again the weight reserve gives me confidence I'm not likely to have a blowout.

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Old 11-03-2015, 03:59 PM   #5
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Old 11-03-2015, 11:33 PM   #6
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Yep - I go at max pressure!
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Old 11-03-2015, 11:39 PM   #7
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Loaded with a 3 KW generator, a motorcycle, and the usual gear, I am at 3000 lbs. so I run 65 psi. If I was at 2500, I would drop it to 60.

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Old 11-04-2015, 09:48 AM   #8
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In the absence of a compelling reason to run under the max pressure, I fill mine up to 65 psi cold and don't worry about it.
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Because most vehicles have OEM tires that have yust enaugh loadcapacity to carry the GAWR's, and most Recreation-vehicles are loaded to their max in general use, you would expect AT-pressure given on sidewall.

This is what the Vehicle-makers base their advices on.

But , even if not overloaded on the axles, there can be misbalance R/L .
Then you need the pressure for the highest load on the axle.

This then is higher then AT-pressure given on sidewall , but this is not the maximum allowed cold pressure of a LT tire and Truck-tire.
Once determined of a ducument of Semperit/Continental, that maximum cold pressure of tire is 1.4 times the AT pressure.
And most tire makers in America still allow 10 psi above AT-pressure for LT and 20 psi above AT for Truck tires ( in fact a 22.5 inch tire on an RV is a truck tire to my opinion) . They even advice it for higher speed for ST tires.

So in the end you can better use higher pressure then AT- to give the tire the extra savety.

When you have weighed, and then preferably per wheel( pair) then you can determine the needed pressure more secure, but as long as you did not do that , you have to be on the save side.

I am able to calculate it for you , but need all the data for it.
Will give link to topic I made , so I wont polute this topic further with it.
Will Edit it , first have to find it.

Edit: found it , its about pressure -loadcapacity lists and and will use that topic for further calculations.
http://www.forestriverforums.com/for...sts-37637.html

Another EDIT: tried the link and wanted to write a new comment, but could not because the topic was to old already.

So in time I wil open a new topic for it , but the text I copied and used for other topics , I will place here , so you can see what data I need for calculating.

Tirepressure advice is all about load on tire and speed ( and sometimes about alighnment - camber angle).

So if you can give details of car and tires , I can calculate an advice pressure with some reserve for things like, pressure-loss in time, unequall loading R/L, incidental extra load, misreadings of pressure scales,and misyudging of weight, etc.

This is from tires next and can be read from sidewall:
Maximum load or loadindex.
Kind of tire to determine the AT-pressure/pressure needed for the maximum load up to maximum speed of tire, or if lower 160km/99m/h/reference-pressure, wich is not the maximum pressure of tire.
Maximum speed of tire, most given as letter ( Q=160km/99m/h,N=140km/86m/h fi)

If you have offroad or tires looking like that , with large profile blocs that cover a part of sidewall, also mention, they are allowed lesser deflection then a normal road tire, then the tire maker used to determine the maximum load (to my conclusion the case for the Bridgestone tires on Ford Explorer in the Ford/Firestone affaire).
If you cant find all of it give sises of tire and Loadkind, then I will google for it.

From car next and mostly can be found on same plate as the original pressure advices:
GAWR and GVWR ( Gross Axle/Vehicle Weight Rating)
But best would be to determine the real weights in your use on seperate tires or estimate it as acurate as possible, by weighing per wheel(pair) or axle.

Maximum speed , you dont go over for even a minute in your use, eventually different for different situations, for instance when towing or fully loaded.This apart from trafic regulations, if you drive faster then allowed give that speed. Nature punnisches with tire-failure, police only with a penalty.

Give all that and I will calculate and give a picture of one of my filled in spreadsheets in my answer.
If other then original tires, indead as is already answered other advice is needed, a stiffer tire ( fi C-load instead of P-tire) needs a higher pressure for the same load, or the other way around, has lower loadcapacity for the same pressure.

Greatings from a Dutch pigheaded self-declared tire-pressure-specialist.
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I am the original poster. . My tires on the a122 are indeed labeled 65 psi, cold. I checked the pressure this morning before hitching up. 46.5 in one, 48 in the other. So i need about 17 lbs or so in each. That's cold. So, I figure I will drive the 5 or 6 miles to the air pump. Check them again. My question.. even though the tires may warm up and show a higher pressure at the air pump, because of the drive... I still add 17 lbs. Right?
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I am the original poster. . My tires on the a122 are indeed labeled 65 psi, cold. I checked the pressure this morning before hitching up. 46.5 in one, 48 in the other. So i need about 17 lbs or so in each. That's cold. So, I figure I will drive the 5 or 6 miles to the air pump. Check them again. My question.. even though the tires may warm up and show a higher pressure at the air pump, because of the drive... I still add 17 lbs. Right?
That's what I would do.
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Old 11-08-2015, 03:11 PM   #13
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Ok. . Still having problems. Tried to bring the tires (2014 a122s) up to the correct psi. At the convenience store. . I kept getting varying pressure readings. The air compressor was working. I could feel the air coming out before I put it on the valve stem. But each time I checked I kept getting the same pressure reading and it never seemed to increase. This happened on both tires so I figured something was wrong with their air machine.

I went on to the campground. While there a friend checked the pressure again.. still about 15 to 20 lbs low. Before I left for home today,. Another camper brought by his portable air compressor and tried to add some air. Same thing happened as before. We could not add any air.

I'm wondering. . Since two different sources were unable to add air.. maybe something wrong with the valve stems on these tires? Do the nitro filled tires require a special adapter for the valve? And.. if the air compressor is unable to open the valve to fill.. maybe the pressure gauges are not getting a correct reading either. I'm bafulled?

Ani ideas?
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Old 11-09-2015, 12:54 PM   #14
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My limited experience with convenience store inflators is that many will not supply the 65 PSI needed for our tires. Small portable inflators people carry with them have the same problem despite the labeling claim of higher pressure. They can just bog down under the load and heat. At home I had a heavy duty 120V inflator that died after 10 years and replaced it with a light duty 2.5 gallon compressor that fills tires much faster. On the road, I go to the diesel side of truck stops to get air.

IDK if there is a special valve stem. As a practical matter there shouldn't be a special stem on trailer tires that prevents them from being filled up on demand. Special nitrogen filling is useless for our purposes, IMO. Besides regular air compressors provide 80% nitrogen anyway.
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Low pressure limited compressors?

Chuck,

It's been a long time since I've seen a convenience store compressor which will exceed 35 psi. Liability concerns, most likely--is it possible that somebody would fill their tire to the point of explosion while yakking nonstop on a cellphone? Similarly, the two "jump pack" jumpstart batteries I've had which included a compressor had fairly low limits and were essentially useless anyway in that they were on the order of a 20% service cycle and were far too easy to overheat and ruin. Perhaps your friend's compressor was a low-budget model having either limited pressure capability or was impaired due to having overheated.

Unfortunately, portable compressors are one of those items which "you get what you pay for". I have a good one now and it was $150 before loyalty discount, and still ran me $100. A tire store or a genuine service station is the only place I can assume to find pressure > 35 psi these days.

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Thanks. Very helpful. Does anyone have a recommendation for a compressor for home use? It would be used mostly just for my a122s tires and maybe blowing out the water lines on the camper. So I don't want to spend much money.. but I want it to work.
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A 120V inflator like this is sufficient and easy to carry and store. Otherwise go to your local orange or blue box home store and buy a smallish compressor.

At the low end, these are all made in China and are throw away products that cost less to replace than fix. So I think more about how the retailer stands behind the product than the manufactures service network or reputation for quality. The orange box (Home Depot) has done OK for me in after sale support for house brands.
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12 volt portable unit

Amazon.com: Smittybilt 2781 5.65 CFM Universal Air Compressor: Automotive

Pardon my lack of skills in posting a link. Shown above should link to a Smittybuilt 5.65 CFM 12 volt unit. It connects to any 12 volt battery (like your camper's battery) and the 5.65 cubic feet per minute (CFM) will fill a truck tire within a very few minutes. It comes in a carrying bag along with other fittings, a long coiled hose (20' or so?), and a decent length of power supply line with alligator clips for connection to the battery. I have it on board since I spend a lot of time off-pavement and well away from towns/repair services.

It is possible to overheat it, but it would take a long time. I did manage to fry a 2.7 CFM Smittybuilt a couple of years back. This one is $150 @ Amazon with free shipping. They're retailed at Four Wheel Parts Wholesalers online and in their stores, too. Chinese, as is pretty much everything these days, but mine has worked well. Back in Feb, I took it into a heavily-wooded area (where my truck wouldn't fit) along with a trolling motor battery in order to blow out a Kubota mini-tractor's fuel line, thus enabling the tractor to start, finish a job, and motor out under its own power. It's pretty handy having the portable unit and I would not want to be without one now.
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changing the topic and directing to Bluepill...

I've seen many posts about how to haul bikes on the back of these AFames...mosts of the posts say "don't do it". And now I see you are hauling a motorcycle. Wow.

Can you give us some photos and description of what you had to do to beef up the frame/bumper to accomplish that?
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I am the original poster. . My tires on the a122 are indeed labeled 65 psi, cold. I checked the pressure this morning before hitching up. 46.5 in one, 48 in the other. So i need about 17 lbs or so in each. That's cold. So, I figure I will drive the 5 or 6 miles to the air pump. Check them again. My question.. even though the tires may warm up and show a higher pressure at the air pump, because of the drive... I still add 17 lbs. Right?
Any tire operated at below 80% of recommended inflation pressure is considered in a “run flat” condition and should be dismounted and inspected for internal damages. In your case that’s anything below 52 psi.

That’s a tire industry and can be found in any tire safety publication about inflation pressures.
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