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Old 08-17-2013, 09:22 PM   #11
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Normally you'll run out of ccc before you even get close to the truck towing weight capacity.

Example.

Using your truck

You may find a trailer that is only 5000 lbs ok super I can tow that!
But if trailer has a 300 lb hitch weight dry that may climb 200 lbs after adding cargo.
In your case 400 lb four wheeler plus a 300 lb hitch weight now your at 700 lbs
Add two passengers at 150 lbs each and your at 1000 lbs
Add coolers to truck bed 150lbs say
Fire wood 100 lbs
actual ball hitch 100 lbs

See where I'm going with this?
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Old 08-17-2013, 09:25 PM   #12
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Would this help me? I think I won't be able to take ATV with any of these A-Frames even in the back of the pickup.
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Old 08-17-2013, 09:31 PM   #13
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Helper springs won't change the ccc of your tow vehicle. Only improve the level and stability.
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Old 08-17-2013, 09:42 PM   #14
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Helper springs won't change the ccc of your tow vehicle. Only improve the level and stability.
Looks like I won't be able to pull one of these A-Frames, but you can with your Jeep. How come? Do I need to trade in my Tacoma and get a Jeep? Yours is only rated for pulling about 2,000 lbs. if I remember correctly. If I add more leaf springs would that help?

I am getting more & more confused. Maybe I'm just hard headed.
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Old 08-17-2013, 09:59 PM   #15
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Normally you'll run out of ccc before you even get close to the truck towing weight capacity.

Example.

Using your truck

You may find a trailer that is only 5000 lbs ok super I can tow that!
But if trailer has a 300 lb hitch weight dry that may climb 200 lbs after adding cargo.
In your case 400 lb four wheeler plus a 300 lb hitch weight now your at 700 lbs
Add two passengers at 150 lbs each and your at 1000 lbs
Add coolers to truck bed 150lbs say
Fire wood 100 lbs
actual ball hitch 100 lbs

See where I'm going with this?
Here's an article I wrote for my inlaws to figure out what their 4Runner could tow. See of it helps describe what Ron is saying:
http://learntorv.blogspot.com/p/what-can-i-tow.html

Basically, you need a better feeling of your weights to decide what you can pull. With your 1,200 pounds of carrying capacity, you do have some flexibility.

I will say, you'll fair way better with a low profile camper than a full-height travel trailer.
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Old 08-17-2013, 10:06 PM   #16
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Or you could balance your trailer. ( put weight in the back of the trailer)
Most experts agree that an acceptable tongue weight for any trailer is somewhere between 9 and 15 percent of the gross trailer weight (GTW).
So if you are towing 6000 lb you need 600lb Tongue Weight. That will now give you 600lb to play with it loading the TV.
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Old 08-17-2013, 10:09 PM   #17
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This is all just my personal opinion. I looked very seriously at the model with the large front deck, and almost pulled the trigger on it. I came to the same conclusion regarding tongue weight and loading the quad.

I then came to the conclusion that I didn't want to store everything inside the camper or in our tow vehicle, so I'd likely wind up buying some type of storage bin to secure to the front deck. That decided it for me, because that model is already about 200# and a few bucks more than the model we ended up with...and I'd have been adding more weight and expense by adding a truck type storage box.

I still really like the concept of the front deck. It just didn't turn out to be a good fit for us.
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Looks like I won't be able to pull one of these A-Frames, but you can with your Jeep. How come? Do I need to trade in my Tacoma and get a Jeep? Yours is only rated for pulling about 2,000 lbs. if I remember correctly. If I add more leaf springs would that help?

I am getting more & more confused. Maybe I'm just hard headed.
I'm not saying I'm in spec. I did a couple things to make me comfortable.

First, my rated tongue weight is 200. However the 4 door (same engine, hitch, and trans) is rated for 350 (3500 towing). Only difference is wheelbase length really.

To overcome the excessive lift of a tongue weight of near 300lbs of my A126 I added a WDH hitch. That gave me good level weight distribution. I also pack minimally.

Additionally I added an aux transmission cooler as an extra precaution as the Jeep auto trans tends to get hot and even if not towing many recommend it.

Ill be honest, I've not done the math on ccc on the Jeep. I just looked at the door tag. My Jeep has a 700 lb ccc. Figuring 400 lbs in human weight, 80 for the hitch weight and 200 lbs of 'gear' I'm still under. However ill be over on tongue and total towing. Trailer is 1994 lbs dry, add battery propane, and 'gear' I'm sure the trailer is close to 2300lbs.

The real issue requires getting loaded and weighing. I've also not done that. The axle weights are important too. Maybe someday ill stop and he weighed to see how I stand.

Your truck is surely ok with the front storage units (open or closed) or the regular non-storage/toy hauler.
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Ok the hitch weight for the one with the storage rack in the front is 261 pounds.
This means that only 89 pounds can be added to make 350 pounds. I can not find out how much the sway control system weighs. I'm guessing that it might put me over 350 pound weight limit on the tongue hooked up to the ball. This means I might as well save the money by getting one without any kind of storage in front of the A-Frame. Then with only two people I will have to pack the coolers and other stuff in the back of the Tacoma and inside the trailer.

Does this sound like a good plan or could I get the one with the small storage rack if I put enough weight inside the trailer?
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So to add more fuel to the discussion, you need to understand that a WD hitch does not reduce tongue load; it just "distributes" it from the rear axle to the front and camper axles.

The hitch attachments "see" the entire load.
Tongue load must never exceed the hitch rating.
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