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Old 06-18-2013, 01:44 PM   #1
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Last Trip 2 New Problems...

OK,

After over a year of camping with "Rocko", she gave me a couple new "issues" to deal with.

1. Either me or my wife managed to accidently turn on the water pump while on shore water at the campground the first night we were out. The next morning, I noticed the pump noise when running tap water. I immediately switched the pump off.

Later in the same morning, I noticed water dripping out of the white water fill spout (our "empty white water tank" was now completely full and overflowing!). I opened the drain on the tank and let it empty. Water kept trickling out even after the tank had emptied.

Water was flowing from the city water fill into the white water tank.

I closed the tank valve and disconnected the city water. I refilled the tank and ran off the pump the rest of the time while camping. The pumped worked properly and I assume that a check valve was partially open. However, I am not certain how the 2 water systems are separated? (I checked the manual. It did shed light but stated that you should not run your pump when on city water.)

How do the 2 systems stay separated? A check valve (maybe in the pump)? Since I didn't get a chance to retest the system on shore/city water I am not certain if water will continue to flow into the WW tank.


2. I've been using a small fan in the trailer for over a year. I decided to buy a 2nd one just like it to help keep the air circulating when the "Cool Cat" is off. I plugged it into the plug next to the converter in the front of our A128S. The GFCI immediately trips. I reset it and try it again. It trips again. Note the tripped circuit cuts off all 3 of our interior receptacles. I plug the fan into one of the back receptacles - no problem. I've read that small motors (this is a 2 wire plug fan) can trip the circuit. However, if all plugs are on the GFCI circuit why is this the only receptacle that trips the circuit. (Obviously my knowledge of electricity is limited insofar as GFCI circuits are concerned.).
Note: On further testing, both of the little fans would trip the circuit. An electronic wall wart did not trip it.

My temporary solution was to not plug the fans into the front GFCI receptacle (and wonder if "Rocko" was going to burn up or my wife was going to get shocked when she touched the fan - the latter might have been funny if she didn't get too much of a jolt.)

Is this normal? Should I consider replacing the Receptacle? Is there another hidden problem? Is "Rocko" just being temperamental?
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Old 06-18-2013, 06:16 PM   #2
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It sounds to me like a bad GFCI. Try the fan at home too and if it passes the test. Then replace the receptacle.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:32 PM   #3
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Do other things plugged into that gfci trip it? How abut a coffee maker, hair dryer, etc?
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:53 PM   #4
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I think that most have that GFCI covered .. so i will attempt the answer the water question.
so .. like everything else in life and if you want to stay happily married, i would suggest that you take the blame for turning on the waterpump switch. Believe me
, even tho you are sure you that you didnt turn that dinky little switch under the table on... you did.
As for the leaking into the water tank, I have noticed when we are hooked up to water,which is very rare, that sometimes the tank in the A122 does fill a bit .. even tho the waterpump is off.
I think this could be a safety system to stop both systems running at the same time. Anywhoooo .. check it at home ... connect the hose, without the pump and see what happens ... most likely this is not an issue at all ...

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Old 06-19-2013, 04:15 PM   #5
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...or my wife was going to get shocked when she touched the fan - the latter might have been funny if she didn't get too much of a jolt.

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Old 06-19-2013, 05:14 PM   #6
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I know very little about the water system yet, but...you asked so I'll give you what I think is or at least should be correct.

There should be a check valve somewhere in the line that prevents water from flowing from the city water into the tank. It is either inline or integrated into the water pump. Follow your water lines from the pump to the connection to the campers cold water system. Then back from the pump to the tank. If there is no check valve found, then it is in the pump and you (not the DW, remember?) may have damaged the pump. It happens and its not a disaster. Get a SHURflo Whisper King and install it with a few mods. The pressure will be better and you will never hear the pump again.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:59 PM   #7
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Thanks for all the suggestions!

rawlus, The plug did not trip when I plugged in my table charger. Admittedly, It is not a very large current draw and it did not trip. I forgot that I had a small heater that I plugged into that socket a few months ago. I'll try to test it with that (It uses a 3 wire plug I believe).

Pooneil, I don't have a GFCI plug in this house. So I won't be able to test the fans that way. I may just consider replacing it. Not very expensive.
Also, I'll set up the unit this week end and test the water system and try to trace the flow to see if the valve now works correctly, and if it is integrated into the pump.

D-mo, I would never ever accuse my wife of turning on the pump switch!

SabreDoc, My wife did not seem to like my comment about the "shock". We've been married for 38 years, you would think that she would be used to my lame humor by now.
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Old 06-24-2013, 01:18 PM   #8
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Follow up #1 - Water System

So, I set up "Rocko" this weekend in the back yard. I tested the water system with our city water.

Results, the water did NOT leak into the white water tank.

I am assuming that the check valve that is in the pump was partially wedged open after turning on the pump with city water. Evidently, it reseated itself after we started using the white water tank during our last outing. Net cost $0.00!

My plan on the resetting GFCI receptacle was to test other items in it and/or simply replace the receptacle. Also, I found a simple tester on-line (around $10), and I may look into purchasing one for my tool kit.

Well, I didn't get to it. I spent most of my time cleaning our A frame. My fantastic fan was really dirty (blades, screen, etc.). I washed the outside of the trailer (removed what appeared to be tar on the sides) and covered it. I'll check and/or replace the GFCI on our next outing.

Goodness, It was HOT outside this weekend!
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:33 PM   #9
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Red face OK, A couple of new problems

Actually, I suspected that it was leaking, but could not confirm it until our last camping trip. 4 days of almost steady rain and the back bubble window is leaking.

I did a quick fix (black duct tape -- looks good and it stopped the leak). I've ordered 2" 3m extreme seal tape as a semi-permanent fix vs. re-caulking.

I would go with a warranty repair, however, it is now a 2-3 hour trip to our closest local dealer each way for repairs.

2nd problem. The Dometic screen room/awning worked really well on this trip. However, after a year, the bottom Velcro strips are falling off the trailer. I can replace them. However, I am going to find Velcro washers (as used inside on the curtains) or make my own with Velcro and stainless washers, and attach the Velcro using some of the existing screws along the bottom of the trailer.

A side note, our neighbors had a very nice looking easy up type cover with screen side panels. It actually collapsed during the heavy rain.

From our previous post: Water system worked great, and I've bought a replacement electrical socket but was too lazy to repair it on this trip.

Folks, it was a wet week of the 4th here in Alabama! We still had a great time.
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:15 AM   #10
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Yea .. i definitely have a love/hate relationship with our fantastic fans. I love the way it pushes air out of the trailer .. but hate cleaning the darn thing .. because i cant figure out how to get the inside screen off to clean the motor and blades ... any instructions on how to do this would be most helpful ..

oh .. welcome to leaky back window club .. ive been looking after that issue for the last two years ...

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