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Old 12-09-2017, 06:57 PM   #1
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Need Dual fuel inverter generator ideas for a212hw

I just picked up my A212HW today, flawless walkthru and can't wait to take it out.

The champion 3400 dual fuel inverter generator was on my wish list and the customer service guy suggested getting honda since champion is too loud.
He said that most campsites have noise restrictions and well probably be kicked out if I run it plus my company will need to shout over it's noise. He also indicated you can run honda in the campsite and it's much quieter.

I read that the champion is about 59 decibels on load and honda 2000 is 53. Considering 6 dcbs really that much louder? Plus honda's much more expensive. The guy told me I can get 2 for about $2.1k....the 3400 is only $1k.

I'm looking for dual fuel, honda doesn't seem to make them and twice the cost. Anyone have any ideas and experiences/ pros & cons??

I'm a bit confused now.
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Old 12-09-2017, 07:27 PM   #2
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1. Check at what distance from the genny the sound rating is taken. Noise level drops as the square of the distance, so readings taken twice as far away are only 1/4 as loud.

2. Keep in mind that a full 20 Lb. propane bottle only holds 4.7 gallons, and propane has a lower energy value than gasoline so genny output is usually lower.

3. I have a 12 year old Honda E3000is that has been used quite a lot and have had no problems with it at all. Sits on the front of the frame and starts the Cool Cat with no problem. Very quiet.

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I read that the champion is about 59 decibels on load and honda 2000 is 53. Considering 6 dcbs really that much louder?
YES, 6db is that much louder!
But 59 is still under most campground restrictions.
59db is louder than a Honda or Yamaha but quieter than open frame contractors style generators that start around 65db.

Suggest you educate yourself about the logarithmic scale of decibel ratings and then you'll have a better idea what to choose.
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1. Check at what distance from the genny the sound rating is taken. Noise level drops as the square of the distance, so readings taken twice as far away are only 1/4 as loud.

2. Keep in mind that a full 20 Lb. propane bottle only holds 4.7 gallons, and propane has a lower energy value than gasoline so genny output is usually lower.

3. I have a 12 year old Honda E3000is that has been used quite a lot and have had no problems with it at all. Sits on the front of the frame and starts the Cool Cat with no problem. Very quiet.

Sound rating was at 23 ft for champion 3400. How long can you run the e3000i on one tank? I'm seeing the 3400 runs on propane for up to 14 hrs vs 4 hrs on gas. Also how big and what does your genny weigh?
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Sound rating was at 23 ft for champion 3400. How long can you run the e3000i on one tank? I'm seeing the 3400 runs on propane for up to 14 hrs vs 4 hrs on gas. Also how big and what does your genny weigh?
EU3000 is rated at 49-58 DB at 9 feet. Honda rates 3.4 gallon tank at 7 hours full load and 20 hours 1/4 load. I have run my home oil burner and reefer for over 12 hours on a tankful during a power outage. For the camper I usually fill the tank with 1 gallon of gas at about 9PM. That runs the cool cat until about 2PM, when the genny shuts down. By that time it's cool enough outside to not need the A/C and I sleep better without the noise of the A/C cycling on and off.

Weight is a hefty 131 lbs. without fuel. It's a two-person lift to put it up on the platform. I rarely use the propane, so I just carry the bottles in the front storage bin. When I need propane, I just pull out a bottle, sit it on the ground, and connect the regulator/hose.

FWIW, I have camped 185 days in the past 3 years and the camper is perfect for me.
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6dB difference would be 4 times the energy.

A decibel is a measure of sound energy. +3dB is twice the energy, -3dB is half the energy. It's a logarithmic scale... so a 53dB generator will be quieter than a 59dB.

Now notice, we don't PERCEIVE sound necessarily the same - we won't perceive 56dB as 'twice as loud' as 53dB.
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EU3000 is rated at 49-58 DB at 9 feet. Honda rates 3.4 gallon tank at 7 hours full load and 20 hours 1/4 load. I have run my home oil burner and reefer for over 12 hours on a tankful during a power outage. For the camper I usually fill the tank with 1 gallon of gas at about 9PM. That runs the cool cat until about 2PM, when the genny shuts down. By that time it's cool enough outside to not need the A/C and I sleep better without the noise of the A/C cycling on and off.

Weight is a hefty 131 lbs. without fuel. It's a two-person lift to put it up on the platform. I rarely use the propane, so I just carry the bottles in the front storage bin. When I need propane, I just pull out a bottle, sit it on the ground, and connect the regulator/hose.

FWIW, I have camped 185 days in the past 3 years and the camper is perfect for me.
That's pretty heavy. The champion 3400 is about 99 lbs. Im able to lift, comfortably, 120 lbs on my own so 99 lbs wont be an issue. The issue will be campground dub limitations I guess.
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6dB difference would be 4 times the energy.

A decibel is a measure of sound energy. +3dB is twice the energy, -3dB is half the energy. It's a logarithmic scale... so a 53dB generator will be quieter than a 59dB.

Now notice, we don't PERCEIVE sound necessarily the same - we won't perceive 56dB as 'twice as loud' as 53dB.
I'm bad at scientific equations. What are your thoughts on 59 dabs? What do you have and what would handle a 10k btu, in your opinion?
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AZ, a 2000w INVERTER generator should handle your 10k Cool Cat.
You don't need a 3400w generator.
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Every +3 dB is double sound level.
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