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Old 09-06-2015, 11:59 AM   #21
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Thank you Swampweasel. I was so worried about the rear suspension sag that I weighed all of our supplies ( sleeping bag, cutlery, stove, solar panel, each one of our duffle bag, battery, propane, water jug, typical food supplies + 35 lb of food typically in the spare cooler etc.). Something I never had to do with our old tent trailer 2004 Coachman Clipper 1006ST which we loaded everything in the front storage including firewood and i never really saw a lot of sag like this A122S. Mind you the new one has double propane tanks and double the battery, hubby had the dealer replaced single 12v with dual 6v deep cycle). Currently, our max cargo or payload is 1100 lb for the A122S and what we have in there now is about 450 lb.

Hubby and I will be taking it to the CAT scale to check... Then I can sleep better before the next trip. We love our A122S. So, just need to adjust our loading pattern etc. to meet our existing SUV spec.
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Old 09-06-2015, 04:02 PM   #22
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We have hidden hitch supplied by the Toyota dealer at the time but installed by the tent trailer RV mechanic when we bought our tent trailer 11 yrs ago. It did indicate 5000 lb rating, 2" but not sure what the tongue weight is...10% perhaps of 5000 lb...500 lb. our suv can only pull 3500 lb according to spec.
Just curious cause I thought 600 lbs might be too much tongue weight for the vehicle's hitch.

But that is not the way it is figured. What I was told, the hitch is only part of the tongue weight equation. It also depends on how attached, and the tow vehicles ability to hold the hitch with a given tongue weight.

My 2013 Silverado had a tongue weight of 800 lbs (WDH 1200 lbs), same as my 2015 and both have a tow rating of 9200 lbs. However, older Silverados, pre 2013 were at 600 lbs max with almost the same max tow.


But GM and I thought other manufacturers place a sticker on the hitch with the maximum ratings. Maybe aftermarket hitches don't have that sticker, since they are mounted to so many different vehicles.

And to note, my tongue weight on my trailer was 515, as determined by a Sherline scale.
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Old 09-06-2015, 04:24 PM   #23
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Ok. I just check the sticker on the hidden hitch. 5000 lb rating and tongue weight max is 500 lb. Toyota manual indicates 9-11% of 3500 lb is max. So as long as our tongue weight hovers between 350-400 lb, I think we should be ok....
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Old 09-06-2015, 07:31 PM   #24
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The factory tag on my RBST states 284 lbs tongue weight as built. My bathroom scale agrees when the battery and both propane bottles are removed. It seems that even the empty bottles were not included in the factory figure.
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Per two dealers; on mine a popup, the weight includes ONE EMPTY tank; NO battery.
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Per two dealers; on mine a popup, the weight includes ONE EMPTY tank; NO battery.
all "dry" brochure/website tongue weights do NOT include battery or propane gas weight, only the one/two empty propane tanks.
nor cargo, options or water weights.

remember, almost all brochure/website weight numbers(except GVWR)are for a stripped-down version of the trailer.
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Per two dealers; on mine a popup, the weight includes ONE EMPTY tank; NO battery.

I feel like I've heard manufacturers say that hitch weight includes full propane because that's a known wright (vs. battery which can vary based on the actual battery).
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My owners manual, which we all know is generic, says weight of propane is included. That being said even at that I was #200 heavier than advertised. Adding things put me another #150 heavier. Bottom line is to measure what you got to know for sure. As far as the hitch, even if the hitch sticker says you can tow #20,000 with #2000 tongue weight, your vehicle is the weakest link at what ever it says it's rated for. Tow at or below the weakest link.
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I feel like I've heard manufacturers say that hitch weight includes full propane because that's a known wright (vs. battery which can vary based on the actual battery).
maybe things have changed with the newer yellow UVW factory weight sticker.

this is what my white factory UVW sticker says:



propane gas weight is part of the CCC.
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Hello, newbie here. I just returned from camping in Cherokee NC and read your post.
WD hitches r great and recommended. I use to tow my heavy rockwood pop up w/ dinette slide with my
V8 Tundra or V6 landcrusier. I put a lot of stuff in the front tray and I'm sure was pushing the max, and I put the rest of the weight on the trailer axel. I wanted to add to the good advice you have received... when I towed with the Tundra I had a 6 or 8" drop hitch... and I used a straight hitch on the Landcruiser to keep it level. both hitches were set up to use two tension sway bars. Also I was told by the salesman, yeah yeah, that the dry weight on my new tt does include the battery and the weight of full propane tanks.
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