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Old 06-09-2019, 09:46 AM   #1
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Would I need a WDH

Hello, I am considering purchasing a 213HW and wanted opinions on whether or not I should use a weight distribution system and/or sway bar. I will be towing with a 4-runner which is rated at 4700 towing capacity and 500 tongue weight. I have been using one with my current 17' Hideout travel trailer. As my husband doesn't like to camp, it is a lot of work for a woman so that is one reason I want to downsize to the Aframe. I used to own an Aliner classic and had no problems towing it but I know this one is longer and heavier. Note* I would be using the electric brakes. Thanks for the advice!
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Old 06-09-2019, 10:24 AM   #2
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Welcome to the forum. In my opinion you are really close to needing one. The 213HW specs show an unloaded tongue weight of 372 pounds. The tongue weight will probably be in the mid 400 pound range loaded. We had a Flagstaff T21QBHW A-frame, that I did not use a WDH on, but its empty tongue weight was only 311 pounds. Since you already have a WDH I'd probably have it moved over. At a minimum you'll need sway control.
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Old 06-09-2019, 11:06 AM   #3
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Thanks for the reply! That is what I was afraid of. Lol. Sway bar - no problem but that WDH is a pain!
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A lot of folks with R-Pods use the Fastway E2 WDH. That includes a whole lot of single women campers who say it is easy to use. Etrailer carries them, See Here for the one you would need. It might be easier to use than your current setup.
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I towed the largest non-HW PUP with a 2006 Ford Explorer V8 for a few years. PUP was 3,500 lbs. Never used a WDH.

If I got over 65 mph on the freeway, it could get squirrely. Did fine through through the mountains and twisties. Went to 3the eastern part of CO ... drove it to Custer, SD ... and everwhere in between.

It was definitely more stable behind my F-150 -- more weight and longer wheelbase.

I don't think I'd get a WDH for a single-axle, fold-down type of trailer. The key is the relative height of that trailer. My PUP was pretty low. HWs are pushing it, in terms of height and the subsequent interaction with wind.

Any conventional trailer, I wouldn't tow 10 feet without a WDH to control the big wind sail behind the TV.
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Any conventional trailer, I wouldn't tow 10 feet without a WDH to control the big wind sail behind the TV.
A WDH or sway control? I use a friction sway control but I don't use a WDH.
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Old 06-09-2019, 06:37 PM   #7
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Hello, I am considering purchasing a 213HW and wanted opinions on whether or not I should use a weight distribution system and/or sway bar. I will be towing with a 4-runner which is rated at 4700 towing capacity and 500 tongue weight. I have been using one with my current 17' Hideout travel trailer. As my husband doesn't like to camp, it is a lot of work for a woman so that is one reason I want to downsize to the Aframe. I used to own an Aliner classic and had no problems towing it but I know this one is longer and heavier. Note* I would be using the electric brakes. Thanks for the advice!
You will be much happier with a WDH, and will thank yourself when you see how it tows with a WDH.

I can highly recommend the Fastway E2 600/6000 WDH/anti-sway combined into one unit. That's what I used after my minivan and A122 A-frame porpoised going down the road at just 30mph.

We kept the E2 unit when we sold the A122 and moved up to a Flagstaff T21TBHW (same as A213HW). I added a washer (up to 5 instead of 4) to compensate for the higher tongue weight, and I'm back to almost a stock ride on the minivan. Close enough that DW is quite happy to drive for several hours at a time towing the A-frame.

I periodically go camping by myself. The biggest drawback: the hitch head is heavy (about 50lbs), so make a cart if you need one. If your electric tongue jack is marginal, replace it with a strong electric or manual one (I use a manual tongue jack). My bars slip into place or are removed without a lever about 2 cranks of the tongue jack after I start lifting the rear of the minivan.

The WDH/anti-sway adds about 4 minutes to set up/take down time (I'm slow).

I strongly recommend a Prodigy brake controller. I bought a Prodigy 2 because it was cheaper than a P3, and I didn't need the extra prompts on the screen. But the Prodigy is such an improvement over the brake unit the dealer installed. NO MORE getting jerked as the van and A-frame slow to a stop. I set the voltage so I can just barely feel the trailer tugging on the minivan when I apply the brakes. That way, the 2 brake together, and stopping distances are normal.

Hope this helps, but above all enjoy your A-frame. I do.

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Hello, I am considering purchasing a 213HW and wanted opinions on whether or not I should use a weight distribution system and/or sway bar. I will be towing with a 4-runner which is rated at 4700 towing capacity and 500 tongue weight. I have been using one with my current 17' Hideout travel trailer. As my husband doesn't like to camp, it is a lot of work for a woman so that is one reason I want to downsize to the Aframe. I used to own an Aliner classic and had no problems towing it but I know this one is longer and heavier. Note* I would be using the electric brakes. Thanks for the advice!
I own a 4runner and an a128s Aframe. I personally would not tow my trailer with the 4runner without the wdh. It makes a huge difference IME.
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Thanks to all for the great advice. I would rather be safe than sorry. Happy Trails!
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[QUOTE=pgandw;2114835]"You will be much happier with a WDH, and will thank yourself when you see how it tows with a WDH."

Curious as to how one knows how much better something will be without ever doing it before.
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