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Old 09-10-2013, 06:51 PM   #11
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Manchester also makes a 50# cylinder t work well for you and be a little lighter weight wise
Excellent! As always weight is huge concern. Especially when you pulling a 7500# trailer with a half ton. Wood, gear, fresh & bone... I need to save every pound I can.
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Old 11-19-2013, 06:44 PM   #12
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Well I survived the fall deer camp with the help of a couple of extra 20lb'ers. But I'm already looking forward to spring and very real possibility that early April may well be colder than Nov here in OH. Bottom line, I'm ready to get serious about this.

First question. I've been asking the so called plumbers at HD & Lowes. They don't seem to know. First is 1/4" ID hose and fittings enough to supply the 30K BTUs to my furnace and an estimated 20K to my stove simultaneously? 3/8" hoses exist but I'm having trouble finding a female QCC1 to 3/8" NPT adaptor. I figure 1/4" may well be enough because it's on the high pressure side of the regulator, but then again the pressure in the tank will lower as temps decrease.

Next, the P.O.L. fitting. It seems I have two choices. First is a pin hole version which seems most common. Next is a full flow version with I'm guessing around a 1/4" diameter hole. (pics included)

Finally, I've found one place that sells 60# cylinders online. However with shipping it's quite a bit more expensive than the normal price of a 100lb'er. I was wondering if anyone had a lead on a supplier of 60# tanks. I'm also going to look in to the 50# mentioned by Gasman
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Sorry I forgot to attach pictures of the POL fittings

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1/4" hose @ 10psi will supply 50,000btu a little over 400 feet, would I recommend it ? NO. I assume you want to feed your existing system without modifications so I would recommend you get a 60 or 100# cylinder from rural king/tractor supply/menards (they all sell them) then go to your local LP gas dealer (not a reseller) and purchase a 1/4" hi pressure adjustable regulator and full flow pol fitting(rego 597FA or fisher 67 series) with the adj range of 3-15 psi, you do not want to exceed 20-30psi in your hi pressure line do to the possibility of re-liquidification, Buy the hose lenght you want, I recommend hose with 3/8" female flare ends as you can always adapt back to pipe. Then you will need a marshall excellisor ME393 which is 1 5/16" male acme (QCC connection) to 1/4" female pipe that will allow you to connect to your existing pigtail and use your "hose" regulator with out mods.

Hope this helps

PS most plumbers dont have a clue on this as they work with the low pressure side(after the "house" regulator)
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Old 11-20-2013, 04:55 PM   #15
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1/4" hose @ 10psi will supply 50,000btu a little over 400 feet, would I recommend it ? NO. I assume you want to feed your existing system without modifications so I would recommend you get a 60 or 100# cylinder from rural king/tractor supply/menards (they all sell them) then go to your local LP gas dealer (not a reseller) and purchase a 1/4" hi pressure adjustable regulator and full flow pol fitting(rego 597FA or fisher 67 series) with the adj range of 3-15 psi, you do not want to exceed 20-30psi in your hi pressure line do to the possibility of re-liquidification, Buy the hose lenght you want, I recommend hose with 3/8" female flare ends as you can always adapt back to pipe. Then you will need a marshall excellisor ME393 which is 1 5/16" male acme (QCC connection) to 1/4" female pipe that will allow you to connect to your existing pigtail and use your "hose" regulator with out mods.

Hope this helps

PS most plumbers dont have a clue on this as they work with the low pressure side(after the "house" regulator)
WOW! Helps... Heck yeah! Thanks for all the assistance. I'm glad I posted here. I was originally going to buy a full flow POL fitting, a 5' 1/4" hose from Mr. Heater and a 1/4" QCC1 fitting (again from Mr. Heater) which is very similar to the ME393 with the exception that it features a male NPT fitting as opposed to a female.

Amazon.com - Mr. Heater F273791 1/4" Male Pipe Thread x Female P.O.L. with Acme Thread Fitting

So using a regulator upstream of my campers onboard regulator isn't going to hurt anything? I was always under the impression that the low pressure side of the system operated on something like 1 PSI so this would still be higher but I was still leery of the idea. I looked at the models you listed. I assume there's a quality reason these are more expensive than their competition. The price is fine with me (can't spend too much for safety.) But the size is a little bulky. Is the model I'm linking below worth consideration at all?

Amazon.com - Mr. Heater High Pressure Propane Gas Regulator with POL Fitting #F273719 - Adjustable Propane Regulator

I also found this regulator and hose combo

Amazon.com: Bayou Classic 5HPR-40 48-Inch LPG Hose, High Pressure Adjustable Regulator: Patio, Lawn & Garden

Also 1/4" hose will flow the volume at the higher pressure. But you still recommend 3/8? I've found a couple of hose options but the one I had planned to use was this.

Amazon.com - Mr. Heater 5 Foot Propane Appliance Extension Hose Assembly 1/4 Inch Female Pipe Thread X 1/4 Male Pipe Thread F273717 - Propane Gas Extension Hose

At the risk of getting a lecture about internet advice from others. I'm going to say, you sound the most knowledgeable of anyone I've talked to. As you say, plumbers have no clue about these questions. The smarter ones admit they don't know. The rest have just tried to BS me.

I will also say please point out the flaws in my components and plan. I don't want to run out of LP. But I REALLY don't want blow myself up or damage a propane component by feeding it with liquid and not gas.
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Old 11-20-2013, 05:08 PM   #16
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I have worked in the LP industry 37 years, 27 of those for an equipment distributor
I dont really care for the china stuff but it works, also as long as you dont go crazy on the length use 1/4" hose it will work fine. If you do it as I posted you should not have to modify your existing system and it keeps it simple. Which every regulator you use just dont exceed 20 psi and it should work fine. If you have any other questions you can call me 8-5 est at 800-241-1971 I cant sell to retail but I answer questions all day long.

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Old 11-20-2013, 07:49 PM   #17
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Thank you very much Jim. After further reading and a second glance, I'm going to get the 597FA regulator you mentioned. Seems like a solid unit for a fair price. As for the rest I'll piece it together with what's easiest to come by. You information has been invaluable.

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Be sure to turn off the extra tank and slightly loosen the POL fitting when you disconnect as you will have gas trapped in your aux hose.
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Thank you. That's good advice. One final thing... Would adding a pressure gauge downstream of the regulator make sense? If so do you have a model you can recommend?
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Yes the 597 and 67 series both have 1/4" pressure taps in the side of them.
any good quality 0-30 or 0-60 psi gauge will work fine.
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