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Old 01-15-2015, 09:58 PM   #1
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Propane tanks and lock doors / moved

I thought I read that propane isn't supposed to be locked up from a fire/fire department perspective. Well, the door to it, at least. Like they are supposed to be able to get to the knobs to turn it off if needed in an emergent situation.
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I guess if the gas needed to be shut off in an emergency, he'd be SOL!
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Old 01-15-2015, 11:05 PM   #3
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I replaced the non locking outside compartment door latches with locking ones.
Now my battery, generator and propane compartments are locked up.
Hate to jump on the bandwagon, but it's illegal to lock the doors, you can lock the tanks but the fire department has to be able to turn the tanks off during a fire.
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Thanks for the concern about the propane.

There are two latches, one is a lock and the other is a non locking latch.
When in storage the tanks are off and the compartment is locked, when I am using the RV I will leave it unlocked.
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Old 01-16-2015, 07:17 AM   #5
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Thanks for the concern about the propane.

There are two latches, one is a lock and the other is a non locking latch.
When in storage the tanks are off and the compartment is locked, when I am using the RV I will leave it unlocked.

That is exactly what I do
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If someone needed to get to the tanks.It not that hard to get into a lock door if there was a emergency.
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If someone needed to get to the tanks.It not that hard to get into a lock door if there was a emergency.
You remember that when the fire department is letting your stuff burn because they can't turn the LP off.

There's reasons for these things. Trust me, they'll let it burn, talk to any firefighter, if there's something that compromises their safety they'll happily stand 50 feet away spraying water keeping other stuff from catching.

Yes, it's easy to break through the door. Once the fire is going the 1/4" hose blowing LP is insignificant. But it's part of their training.
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You remember that when the fire department is letting your stuff burn because they can't turn the LP off.

There's reasons for these things. Trust me, they'll let it burn, talk to any firefighter, if there's something that compromises their safety they'll happily stand 50 feet away spraying water keeping other stuff from catching.

Yes, it's easy to break through the door. Once the fire is going the 1/4" hose blowing LP is insignificant. But it's part of their training.

Not trying to be argumentative, just providing a counterpoint of my reasoning.

1: If you are inside a burning camper, I do not believe the FD will be looking for the LP tank valve before they go in and get you and subsequently leaving you to die because you have a CH751 holding that door closed. Their fire axe would make quick work of that door if they were concerned about it.

2: If I am out of my camper and it is burning, pull up a chair and relax, that is what insurance is for. I certainly would not want FD or anybody else try to play hero to save it, it is well insured and far too easily replaced.

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I'm with you Rhozeta, by the time the fire department gets there, I don't care. Let it burn.

These things go up fast in a fire. If your not already out, your in big trouble.

I'm curious sknight when you say it's illegal to lock the propane, would that be state or federal law. I would love to see your source.



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Not trying to be argumentative, just providing a counterpoint of my reasoning.

1: If you are inside a burning camper, I do not believe the FD will be looking for the LP tank valve before they go in and get you and subsequently leaving you to die because you have a CH751 holding that door closed. Their fire axe would make quick work of that door if they were concerned about it.

2: If I am out of my camper and it is burning, pull up a chair and relax, that is what insurance is for. I certainly would not want FD or anybody else try to play hero to save it, it is well insured and far too easily replaced.

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I'm with you Rhozeta, by the time the fire department gets there, I don't care. Let it burn.

These things go up fast in a fire. If your not already out, your in big trouble.

I'm curious sknight when you say it's illegal to lock the propane, would that be state or federal law. I would love to see your source.



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It's so easy to sit back and speculate about what the fire department should and shouldn't do.

I worked closely with public service for many years, they adhere to their training, if they pull up they're not going to pull up a chair with you and watch it burn.

Here's the official NFPA code 58 PDF, pg 48, paragraph e, point 1. You can search the document for "Lock" and find more guidelines.

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(e) Appliances installed within vehicles shall comply with
the following:
1. If in the cargo space, they shall be readily accessible
whether the vehicle is loaded or empty.

2. Appliances shall be constructed or otherwise protected to
minimize possible damage or impaired operation due to
cargo shifting or handling.
3. Appliances shall be located so that a fire at any appliance
will not block egress of persons from the vehicle.
(f) Provision shall be made in all appliance installations
for a supply of outside air for complete combustion.
(g) A permanent caution plate shall be provided, affixed
to either the appliance or the vehicle outside of any enclosure
and adjacent to the container(s), and shall include the following
items:
This is the link to the PDF.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...83829542,d.eXY

Leave armchair quarterbacking for Sunday. There are rules and reasons for everything.

Actually, this is hilarious. If your weight goes one pound over your tow rating you're an overloaded idiot and god help you if you so much as touch one of MY family members.

But lock the doors, against code specified by the NFPA? Pishaw, I'll sit back having a cold one as it burns with my insurance agent on the line telling them where to send the check. They'll never know I locked the tanks against code.
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