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Old 07-28-2018, 07:36 PM   #1
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Different siding options

What are the differences between the TTs with the "corrugated" look siding vs the smooth. Can't get good answer from salesperson.
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What are the differences between the TTs with the "corrugated" look siding vs the smooth. Can't get good answer from salesperson.
Smooth "filon" siding generally has aluminum framing. Filon has a sandwich bonded construction.
Corrugated aluminum siding generally has wood framing, therefore is heavier than a comparable filon-sided/aluminium framed TT.

Shows you how little RV salespeople know about what they're selling.
Should be pretty common knowledge for them.
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Smooth "filon" siding generally has aluminum framing. Filon has a sandwich bonded construction.
Corrugated aluminum siding generally has wood framing, therefore is heavier than a comparable filon-sided/aluminium framed TT.

Shows you how little RV salespeople know about what they're selling.
Should be pretty common knowledge for them.
He said the smooth has a heated underbelly and more luxury deco. That's why they're more $.
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Do a search for "Azdel". It's a composite siding used on many TT like ours.
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I don't mind saying this: IF a car salesman or RV salesman is moving his/her lips they are lying to make the sale. That's my opinion. I'm no RV expert, I've looked at hundreds while seeking a newer one, I've worked on hundreds for family, friends, and friends of friends. I have a buddy who is in the RV repair business and I think he is very good and as honest a person that I know. That said: I've had TT's with each of the siding materials, "Filon" (which is a fiberglass fiber, thermoplastic blended material) commonly referred to as "Fiberglass siding". The horizontal corrugated aluminum siding, and my current TT has the "Azdell" siding. Azdell is basically a thermoplastic material developed to replace the thin (Luan) wood used in making composite RV sidewalls. I have had to drill a 1 1/2" hole into the siding of my TT so the plug I removed shows me the "build-up" of the siding. Filon/fiberglass exterior sheet app. 1/8" thick, Azdell maybe 1/16" thick, 1 1/4" of styrofoam insulation (certainly not enough to me), luan wood app. barely 1/16" thick and the interior paneling also maybe 3/32" thick. All heat bonded together. My unit does have the aluminum framing. As far as the aluminum siding RV units having a wooden frame, I'm not sure about that as I believe that the aluminum siding can be attached to either a wooden frame of an aluminum cage frame. Wood framed RV's would tend to be heavier than the aluminum framed RV's. That's why you see the aluminum framed units advertised as "ultra-lights. As far as "the smooth has a heated underbelly and more luxury deco". All heated underbelly units I have see were heated with one of the heated air ducts from the heater going into the underbelly. That's one less heated air duct supplying the interior of your unit. I do not agree with that. IMO: Any fifth-wheel, travel trailer can be built with an enclosed underbelly that can be heated and the interior deco of a unit can be identical between the aluminum skinned, the fiberglass skinned, enclosed or non-enclosed underbelly. David's 2 worth
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Stick and tin trailers generally are entry-level trailers and have a lot of features that are options or not available, that the filon-sided/aluminum frame trailers have as standard.

Therefore they are more expensive. But enclosed underbellies are not on all filon/aluminum trailers.
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Fiberglass siding also seems to be more prevalent in cracking at slide openings or anywhere there is a hard 90 cut. Will show delam problems quicker due to water intrusion, so not to rot whole wall. Or it could be that it's delaminating from not being properly manufactured.
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I have a structural background and chose the CC Hathaway. The walls are different.

However, the list of available is enormous.

Any rv you choose will have some compromises.

After more than a year of looking my head was spinning. Our 5er fit our criteria the best. The word "our" is important.

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Stick and tin trailers generally are entry-level trailers and have a lot of features that are options or not available, that the filon-sided/aluminum frame trailers have as standard.

Therefore they are more expensive. But enclosed underbellies are not on all filon/aluminum trailers.
This statement is simply NOT true. There are aluminium sided trailer that are much more expensive and have more features than the flat sided.

The aluminum sided trailers can have wood or aluminum frames.
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Fiberglass siding also seems to be more prevalent in cracking at slide openings or anywhere there is a hard 90 cut. Will show delam problems quicker due to water intrusion, so not to rot whole wall. Or it could be that it's delaminating from not being properly manufactured.
Mine is cracking at the bedroom slide at the bottom. I am still trying to research how to seal it. May have to talk to a local boat shop.
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This statement is simply NOT true. There are aluminium sided trailer that are much more expensive and have more features than the flat sided.

The aluminum sided trailers can have wood or aluminum frames.
I said "generally". If there are aluminum siding on aluminum frame trailers, they aren't common.
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learn and study begfore purchase.

I have a structural background and chose the CC Hathaway. The walls are different.

However, the list of available is enormous.

Any rv you choose will have some compromises.

After more than a year of looking my head was spinning. Our 5er fit our criteria the best. The word "our" is important.

Double kitchen sink DW (dear wife items)
King Bed DW
Washer Dryer DW
12 gallon traditional water heater DW
Metal spring bushings
Wet bolts
Structural walls
Plywood floor
Minimal Luan
Whisper quiet AC
Better quality furniture
Better mattress
Suspension device between springs
Drop frame
Ladder
Convection oven microwave, I am the cook
Gas oven and range
16x85 tires
4 6 volt batteries
Decent radio and tv
LED lights
Porcelain toilet
Fiberglass shower with seat
12 volt outlet for the CPAP machine
2 fantastic fans
Low hitch weight
Designed for modern trucks(height to bottom of the forward area to clear Pickup side walls) No they are not all that way.
Hydraulic level up
50 amp service
Privacy and black out shades in the main area.
Lots of windows
Frameless windows
30 wide door.
Old peoples steps
Slide toppers
Tv antenna
Couples trailer
Built in vacuum cleaner
Fireplace(also heats the rv as needed)
Metal faucets
4 door gas electric frudge.
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What are the differences between the TTs with the "corrugated" look siding vs the smooth. Can't get good answer from salesperson.
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Stick and tin trailers generally are entry-level trailers and have a lot of features that are options or not available, that the filon-sided/aluminum frame trailers have as standard.

Therefore they are more expensive. But enclosed underbellies are not on all filon/aluminum trailers.
I've seen pricing all over the place between the two. Back when we were first looking, I saw some stick and tin that were more money than our Flagstaff ended up being. And I see a lot more of the Fiberglass being pushed as 'entry level' because they're used for the ultralights, and we all know first time buyers often end up looking at trailers heavier than they really should be towing.
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I said "generally". If there are aluminum siding on aluminum frame trailers, they aren't common.
You missed the point again ! The actual simple fact is that aluminum sided trailers are NOT generally entry level trailers anymore than any other siding.


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You missed the point again ! Aluminum sided trailer are NOT generally entry level trailers anymore than any other siding.



Uh, yeah they are, generally speaking.
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I've seen pricing all over the place between the two. Back when we were first looking, I saw some stick and tin that were more money than our Flagstaff ended up being. And I see a lot more of the Fiberglass being pushed as 'entry level' because they're used for the ultralights, and we all know first time buyers often end up looking at trailers heavier than they really should be towing.
My point exactly !!


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Uh, yeah they are, generally speaking.
No they are not. There are many smooth sided trailers in the $15K range and aluminum sided trailers in the 65K range
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Well, the RV Industry uses the term "entry-level" and it's not intended to insult anyone and neither do I. I've owned a stick and tin trailer and never intended to insult anyone by using a RV Industry term.

As an example, here's a link to Keystone RV's product lines, with starting MSRP prices. Their only two aluminum sided/wood frame lines, Hideout and Springdale, have the lowest starting MSRPs.
https://www.keystonerv.com/product-finder/
I've found the same thing with most manufacturers.
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Well, the RV Industry uses the term "entry-level" and it's not intended to insult anyone and neither do I. I've owned a stick and tin trailer and never intended to insult anyone by using a RV Industry term.

As an example, here's a link to Keystone RV's product lines, with starting MSRP prices. Their only two aluminum sided/wood frame lines, Hideout and Springdale, have the lowest starting MSRPs.
https://www.keystonerv.com/product-finder/
I've found the same thing with most manufacturers.
I am not seeing what you are seeing, and not seeing entry level just because it is stick and tin, but You ARE being insulting. We can agree to disagree but I will call you out every time that you say a camper is entry level because it is stick and tin as you are wrong.

I am seeing smooth sided trailers that start at the same prices that stick and tin are. And they also have stick and tin at 44K on the same page, beside I thought this was a Forest River Site.

My point is are there entry level stick and tin and smooth sided? Yes , BUT there are also many medium to upper end smooth sided as well as stick and tin.
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Well the wife and I paid 30000 for our TT and it's aluminum siding and it's well above entry level so what's your point.
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