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Old 12-28-2010, 07:53 AM   #11
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Another thought just popped into my head. I have heard some say they travel with their rear roof vents open, but that would create a vacuum in the camper, so if one is travelling in the rain, it would actually suck water right past the seals, and right into the wall.
Owning a camper used to be pretty worry free.
No longer, it would seem.
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Old 12-28-2010, 08:36 AM   #12
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That is an interesting thought. I have covers over my vents so I just leave them open when traveling to air out the camper. Recently I have been closing the bedroom vent becuase bugs and such get scooped into the vent and get mashed into the screen. Never even gave a thought to the vacuum that was forming by the rear vent that faces away from the air flow.
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Old 12-28-2010, 02:42 PM   #13
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Well, FR defeated me!
Tried pulling one of the staples out of the slide seal, and short of wrecking something, it wasn't coming out. So I have to admit defeat on my original plan.
The alternative is to follow Koodog's lead and caulk the seal to the side of the camper. At least that will stop water from getting in that way.
I am probably far more fortunate than most, as the fifth is stored in a heated shop whenever it is off the road. For one that is stored outside, and especially those that are used in cold weather, I can sure see moisture eventually working its way into that 'wood' layer under the fibreglass exterior.
I should just quit looking for things I can't fix!
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Old 12-28-2010, 03:52 PM   #14
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"I was told by my dealer that the slide area is where most delam problems were found"

One would think that maybe they might realize that there is a problem? And maybe care enough to look for a solution? It would be such an easy thing for them to cap the cut opening in the wall before installing the slide(s), and it would probably cost all of 20 bucks to do the job, labour included. Makes me wonder where else they are cutting corners?
You would think that they would come up with some answers to the delam problem by now.
Last March when I first took mine to the dealership for them to inspect the delam, the salesman told me they had problems with the Rockwoods and had sent several back because of delam problems (wished he would have mentioned this when I bought the tt). After the tt was fixed and I had read more on the problem I thought I would check into trading it in for a new one. Depended on how much of a hit I would have to take. I emailed my salesman asking if they would offer a “special deal” considering my circumstances (there were some ongoing problems with the tt besides the delam). He emailed back stating they have had lots of problems with the Rockwoods and knew about all the problems I was having. He said they tried to get FR to buy the tt's back but they wouldn’t. He then offered a deal I could get anywhere and said they couldn‘t do anymore without FR‘s help. By now the dealership had quit selling Rockwoods. I contacted FR to see if they might help and was told that they were in litigation with my dealer and would not work with them on any deal. They also told me they would not help me on their own because that would be like a “goodwill gesture” or “giving me a handout“ (their words). I wasn’t asking for my money back, just help me break even when I trade it in on a new FR tt. If FR and my dealer would have worked together it would have been less than $2,000 each.
I’m not saying the tt I have now will be any less prone to delam than the Rockwood I had, I’m just saying the particular tt I had was not worth keeping. The response I got from my dealer and FR weighed heavy in my decision to take the hit on the tt and buy a Prime Time from a different dealer, which actually beat my old dealers deal on the same tt, same options except the one I bought came with $3,800 of free upgrades.
So keep an eye on your tt’s. Replacement of your tt's walls is about the only fix I know of once delam has started. I was lucky they replaced the sidewalls under warranty. After the warranty is up you could be on your own to foot the bill. I have been told it could have cost up to $4,000 per sidewall.

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Old 12-28-2010, 06:51 PM   #15
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Without looking at my TT since it is in storage, would it be possible to brush some water seal on the exposed wood area from inside while the slide is in? If this could be done it would help stop the water from soaking in to the exposed area. This along with some chauk should help the situation.
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Old 12-28-2010, 07:27 PM   #16
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Without looking at my TT since it is in storage, would it be possible to brush some water seal on the exposed wood area from inside while the slide is in? If this could be done it would help stop the water from soaking in to the exposed area. This along with some chauk should help the situation.
I don't believe you can do that. I would have to double check, but I think all I can really see when the slide is in is the seal. For me it would be too hard to reach anyway.

The wood that you need to worry about is very thin and laminated between the styrofoam insulation and the fiberglass. When the inside of the wall gets wet the styrofoam swells and the glue breaks down allowing seperation of the laminated layers.

So even if you could brush some water seal on the edge of the wood, water would still probably penetrate the stryofoam and cause delam. Placing some kind of a "cap" over the edge, as crocus suggested, not allowing any water inside the wall would be the best fix.

On the outside you will see bubbles or a wavy look to your fiberglass. On the inside swelling may not be noticable until you run your hand over the wall and feel it rather than see it. Your wall can also develope small, hard bumps sometimes resembling a rash. Unfortunately by the time you notice, it's too late.
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Old 12-28-2010, 09:42 PM   #17
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Crocus,
We are both fortunate enough to have heated shops to store our Rv's in when not on the road. Makes these "little" repairs a whole lot easier, and can be done when time permits.
Grhodes50.... surely a bad deal with FR on your last Rockwood. Given the same situation, I'd of made the same decision you did.....buy a different brand. Keep us posted on the new rig. Your pics got me fired up to look at that model. So far so good?
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Old 12-28-2010, 10:15 PM   #18
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We are both fortunate enough to have heated shops to store our Rv's in when not on the road. Makes these "little" repairs a whole lot easier, and can be done when time permits.
Grhodes50.... surely a bad deal with FR on your last Rockwood. Given the same situation, I'd of made the same decision you did.....buy a different brand. Keep us posted on the new rig. Your pics got me fired up to look at that model. So far so good?
Thanks. I try to be careful when I post about what happened. I don't believe FR or Rockwoods are bad in general, just the one I got and a few others that have posted on here. So I'm not bashing FR, just the one tt I had.

Prime Time is a Berkshire/Hathaway product so it is a "cousin" to FR. So far the trailer is great. Only one trip in it, so it's too early to tell for sure. After my last experience I'm a little hesitant to rate any tt too high, too early. I still love the "feel" when I walk in it, just a real solid feeling, no soft spots in the floor over the furnace ducts or water tanks. No veneer or particle board, all solid wood. I really like the universal docking system. All the connections inside the slam shut baggage door makes everything neat and tidy.

I had one stiff drawer, contacted Prime Time and they sent me new drawer guides within a week. They have a contact page on their web site. They are very resposive and usually get back to you within a day.

The omni directional antenna does not pick up as many stations as the batwing, but the ones it does pick up come in great. At least no cranking up or down.

I am looking forward to hooking the TV up outside under the awning this spring, watch a movie under the stars while sitting by the campfire. Of course I'll make sure the sound isn't too loud, don't want to disturb the neighbors. And of course they will be more than welcome to join us if they wish.
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Old 12-28-2010, 10:32 PM   #19
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jwuertz, with the slide out I can pull the seal flap back and kindof see the exposed wall. I might try putting something on the wood edge, but it won't be easy. If the factory had screwed the seal on instead of cheaping out and stapling it on, it would have been an easy fix.
Luckily, what I thought was exposed styrofoam is actually the aluminum frame around the slide opening. They were just sloppy with the glue and their is styrofoam bits stuck to the aluminum.

Koodog, don't be so sure that buying a different model will be any better. As far as I know, all fibreglass trailers have that thin wood backing under the fibreglass skin.
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crocus,
Agree most constuction is similar, I was referring more about how it was handled. Wouldn't be nice in your current situation, if you could call FR and they would offer a solution, explanation of design, or maybe just hear you out?

In a perfect world...
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