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Old 02-28-2014, 12:59 PM   #21
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OK Platokidd,

Thanks !!I checked that stuff out and also seen a youtube application video. The roof is going on year 10 and I'm pretty sure I need a top coat. The stuff looks messy but it beats paying someone else and then wondering how good of a job they do. This way only me to blame.
BTW: My last bachelor house in 1980 was called "Platos' Plateau" lol

Thanks to all the other posts too. As far as just leaving it dirty vs. too much scrubbing. I can agree on a protective "filth" layer and also on naturally rubbing the white out of a membrane. It's a fine line but stroring close to a huge interstate with the fall out of vehicle emissions... I think I will continue cleaning. If I was in the forrest with good red dirt I may just let it be.

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Old 03-08-2014, 05:02 PM   #22
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That is just crazy, my dealer cleans and seals my roof yearly. You have to clean and reseal your roof yearly to keep it covered for warranty which is 10 years. My dealer charges me $165.00 to do the job and then I have a record to show if something happens down the line in years to come. FR will ask for proof that you maintained it per your stated WARRANTY (which say's it has to be treated and sealed yearly to be warranted). I would do it myself but then I do not have a paper trail. I wouldn't let CW touch my unit besides they charge double for anything when it comes to repairs or maintenance. Just my opinion and calling around for the same repairs by different RV dealers they are always the highest and I know of people personally that have said they would never have CW do any more work for them again. In fact my dealer is doing my yearly March 4th.
Your warranty says that?? Really??? I decided to get my owners manual out and see what it said. All it said is to inspect roof seams twice a year and to repair or recaulk as necessary. It also said a mild household soap solution and a soft brush CAN be used to clean rubber roof. That is all they wrote. Maybe different brands say it something else. Check your own paperwork for your own unit. Best spot for reliable info.
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Your warranty says that?? Really??? I decided to get my owners manual out and see what it said. All it said is to inspect roof seams twice a year and to repair or recaulk as necessary. It also said a mild household soap solution and a soft brush CAN be used to clean rubber roof. That is all they wrote. Maybe different brands say it something else. Check your own paperwork for your own unit. Best spot for reliable info.
I know what my warranty says, but I just looked up prime time and your model # it say's that it is warranty for 12 years. At Least the 2013 models are. Mine is for 10 years with being treated yearly. They treat it with a UV protection. When FR bought out prime time and put it under there umbrella who knows. What the original warranty called for. There has been people on this forum that the warranty was turned down with FR because of they couldn't prove maintenance. I'm a fanatic when it comes to these things, I have been burned before. Call FR and see if they will cover it under warranty? Good luck
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I know what my warranty says, but I just looked up prime time and your model # it say's that it is warranty for 12 years. At Least the 2013 models are. Mine is for 10 years with being treated yearly. They treat it with a UV protection. When FR bought out prime time and put it under there umbrella who knows. What the original warranty called for. There has been people on this forum that the warranty was turned down with FR because of they couldn't prove maintenance. I'm a fanatic when it comes to these things, I have been burned before. Call FR and see if they will cover it under warranty? Good luck
OK you are making me work Here is a link to prime time website about roofs. Prime Time Manufacturing, Manufacturers of travel trailers, fifth wheels and toy haulers
They say put nothing on it.
From the rockwood site it says they have "One Piece Seamless Roofing Membrane". I wonder if it is rubber. Maybe they are different materials which would explain different care for the roofs.
My one year warranty is way past the warranty period. I know I have to take responsibility for my Crusader. If it has a 12 year roof warranty, it sounds good but I won't hold my breath. I will continue to check for roof integrity. Just make sure there is no leaking going on and have fun camping.
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OK you are making me work Here is a link to prime time website about roofs. Prime Time Manufacturing, Manufacturers of travel trailers, fifth wheels and toy haulers
They say put nothing on it.
From the rockwood site it says they have "One Piece Seamless Roofing Membrane". I wonder if it is rubber. Maybe they are different materials which would explain different care for the roofs.
My one year warranty is way past the warranty period. I know I have to take responsibility for my Crusader. If it has a 12 year roof warranty, it sounds good but I won't hold my breath. I will continue to check for roof integrity. Just make sure there is no leaking going on and have fun camping.
Mine did not come with a manual like PT'S. If I remember right I just got a copy peice of paper telling me that. At least PT gives you guy's some good info. The Rockwood materials were more like handout for a better term. I just got a stack of papers....
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My roof is made from thermoplastic Olefin (TPO) not rubber, according to an old post on cleaning on this forum. I really do not know. I will ask my dealer when I pick up the unit this week and let you know.
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CLEANING AND PROTECTING RV RUBBER ROOFS
WHAT DO THE MANUFACTURERS SAY?

In my travels to FMCA and Escapee Rallies throughout the U.S, the one question I always encounter is “what about rubber roofs?” The notion of ‘out of sight – out of mind’ is not only neglectful, but is a prescription for destruction and can void your warranty as well. While there are surfaces intended to minimize the amount of elbow grease required, there are no materials subjected to Mother Nature that are maintenance free. There is more confusion regarding the issue of care and maintenance of rubber roofs than any other. Better to do nothing than the wrong thing is only a half-truth. As an owner of a rubber roof, you do have an obligation to be informed so as not to void your manufacturer’s warranty. Each manufacturer has a web site, but they do not all say or recommend the same maintenance program. It’s a prescription for chaos.

There are different types of rubber roofs and each has different properties and requirements. But there is one thing that no rubber roof can withstand – Petroleum Distillates. In fact, Petroleum Distillates are not compatible with any type of rubber or vinyl, as well as many other types of plastics.

This article will focus on two types of roofing materials – EPDM and TPO. The two leading distributors of these rubber roof systems are Dicor Corporation and Alpha Systems, both located in Elkhart, Indiana. EPDM stands for Ethylene Propylene Diene Monomer. This type of rubber roofing membrane is made to last 20 years and has a 10 to 12 year guarantee, depending on the brand. EPDM is one of the most versatile and long lasting materials ever manufactured for outdoor exposure. Most RV industry experts consider EPDM the most dependable, most cost effective and easiest to maintain roofing material. EPDM is described as “ideal for outdoor applications because of its excellent resistance to ultra-violet light, ozone, oxidants and severe weather conditions”. EPDM roofing membrane oxidizes slowly. In a dozen years it may only oxidize 10% of its thickness. This oxidation is what causes the white-gray or gray streaks that run down the sides of RV’s – especially in heavy dew or light rain. EPDM also becomes very slippery when wet.

TPO – Thermal Poly Olefin – was introduced to the RV and Marine Industries in 1994. It is resistant to algae, mold, fungus, and other biological agents. The chemistry of TPO allows for no chalk residue or degradation of the membrane through its useful life. The TPO membranes are non-skid when wet and therefore are used frequently as floor covering in the pontoon boat industry as well. The chemical additives used in TPO for protection from UV light are not self-sacrificing. Instead, they operate in a regenerative fashion as they interfere with the degradation reactions that occur from UV light exposure. Some features of TPO are the advanced polymer technology, weight reduction and easy installation due to its soft and pliable nature. TPO carriers a 12 year manufacturers’ warranty.

There are different opinions when it comes to cleaning and protecting rubber roofs, but everyone agrees that EPDM’s solvent and oil resistance is poor. Care and maintenance instructions from both manufacturers have the following warning: “DO NOT use cleaners or conditioners containing petroleum solvents, harsh abrasives or Citric based cleaners. You may cause irreparable damage to your roof”

The percentage of petroleum distillates doesn’t matter. THERE IS NO LEVEL OF PETROLEUM DISTILLATES THAT IS RECOMMENDED. Laboratory tests conducted in July of 1996 evaluated the effect of a leading RV ‘roof treatment’ product on EPDM roofing membrane using standard sunlamp and immersion testing procedures. The ‘roof treatment’, which contained petroleum distillates, caused a 63% mass change (swelling). Petroleum distillates soak in and cause the adhesive to loosen and the membrane to balloon. Then, when the ballooning goes down, the rubber roof may never again adhere properly or completely. Don’t be fooled by names such as “organic solvent”, “hydrocarbon carrier”, etc. Petroleum distillates by any name should NEVER be applied to EPDM. If you aren’t sure about a product, contact the manufacturer and request a copy of the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS). Look under the section entitled “Hazardous Ingredients”. If it lists any petroleum distillates, do not use it on EPDM.

To maintain your warranty, all that is required is periodic cleaning at least 3 to 4 times per year. What you use is wide open as long as it does not contain petroleum distillates, harsh abrasives, or delaminane (citrus based cleaners). Dicor recommends a non-abrasive type cleaner such as RC 100TM, Borax or DawnTM and a medium to stiff brush. Alpha Systems recommends using a household cleaner such as CometTM, Spic-N-SpanTM, Ajax TM, etc. They say to use a medium-bristled scrub brush in place of a sponge because the EPDM rubber roofing material is not smooth like fiberglass. For more stubborn stains, i.e. oak leaves, pine sap, mold or mildew, the use of a kitchen cleanser with bleach, such as TilexTM or Soft ScrubTM can help. Monoethalomine is also very effective, non-abrasive and minimizes the effort in removing oxidation, pitch, sap, mold and mildew, as well as berry stains from birds and trees. A quick rinse with chlorine (bleach) is necessary to kill the mildew spores and retard their regrowth. Caution should be exercised when washing your roof to prevent cleaners from running down the sides since this could cause streaking. Always pre rinse your RV sides before you rinse your roof. On TPO roofing, Alpha Systems suggests using Murphy’s Oil SoapTM with a soft nylon brush or sponge. DO NOT USE SOLID OR GRANULATED CLEANERS on TPO, AS THEY WILL MAR THE NATURAL FINISH. A good thorough cleaning with some elbow grease, along with the oil soap should keep your roof looking good and remove most stains. Again, any non-granulated, non-abrasive cleaner may be used as long as it does not contain petroleum distillates or delaminane (citrus).

Protecting rubber roofs is s topic of great debate. Per Dicor’s web site, “the guarantee does not require the use of any protective ‘roof treatment’ or ‘roof protector’ product and recommends only cleaning”. This is consistent with both Dicor and Alpha Systems. However, Dicor states that when the roof no longer looks good to “clean the area and treat it with a product that will repel soiling and is safe for EPDM”. Both Dicor and Alpha Systems stated that they have never had issue with any protectant provided that it contained NO PETROLEUM DISTILLATES.

In summary, you must maintain your rubber roof to protect your warranty. Neglect can cause damage to both your roof as well as RV sidewalls from oxides. DO NOT use any products containing any amount of petroleum distillates. Wash routinely with any appropriate cleaner and pre-rinse your RV sides before rinsing your roof to prevent the cleaner from running down the sides. While no protective coating is required to maintain your warranty, you may use one if you choose – without jeopardizing your warranty. If your roof becomes dull, flat or unsightly, then you may use a protectant to improve the appearance and make maintenance easier by eliminating gray streaks, minimizing black streaks and providing protection against staining. The protectant you choose should be intended for walking surfaces in that it will not make them slippery. It should also provide a reasonable amount of protection, be durable enough to wash, and have a reasonable longevity when exposed to the elements.

Here is some additional information, which may prove helpful. Black streaks are the result of dust and dew, which mixes to slurry and then migrates over the edge and down the sides. Unsightly as they may be, they are not harmful to the RV sides. But gray streaks are another matter. The gray streaks are a combination of the roof oxides and black streaks. When this mixture reaches the vinyl stripes, repeated exposure to sunlight will leach out the pigment and leave permanent vertical streaking. Washing should be done out of the sun and preferably in the early morning to take advantage of the emulsifying action from the dew. Cleaning should never be done on a hot surface.
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Once again I have to make this warning, I have the biggest dealer by FR. RVOUTLET in ringgold Va. I asked him today because of this thread on the roof. He said that unless you can prove that your roof was treated yearly with UV protection if the roof cracks or leaks during the warranty period. FR will maintain that it was not maintained and void there responsibility on your roof. He said he has had this problem and FR and they won. That is where my UV treatment comes in and being documented. With that proof he has never had a problem even replacing a whole roof or any damage that was caused by a leak. He also said no matter what I get done to keep all things pertaining to it. This RV company sells over 100 units a month and the largest in the USA. He said that he really doesn't need the work and this was there advice to there customers, so they will not be burned by the roof manufacturer or FR. They are very honest people and the best repair dealer around. If you need someone to do your warranty work and it's close you will not beat them. I also doubt that you would beat there price on any unit. They are famous for it.
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This is how you solve all rv roof problems, get rid of the Dicor self leveling caulking, this causes all rv roof leaks, remove and seal with a 4" fiber backed seam tape then coat with a 20 year rv acrylic roof coating, as far as a uv protector, (why) put this on your rv roof every year anyway? after a year on a brand new motor coach the rubber is going to chalk and streak, to protect your rv roof for good so you don't have to get up there 3-4 times a year to inspect seams, clean, wash or put uv protector on it. You need to prime your rv roof then 2 coats of Acrylic Elastomeric RV Roof Coating..You would not believe what people put on there rv roofs to stop roof leaks its shocking, the last place you want to skimp is on your rv roof, i have pictures to prove it..
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