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Old 08-15-2012, 11:23 PM   #11
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Did I miss something or was this unit sold with an arctic pack option?

If not how is this a design flaw?
If they didn't market the with arctic pack option then I'm not sure where forest river did anything wrong.

Just trying to understand.
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Old 08-16-2012, 06:41 AM   #12
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Did I miss something or was this unit sold with an arctic pack option?

If not how is this a design flaw?
If they didn't market the with arctic pack option then I'm not sure where forest river did anything wrong.

Just trying to understand.
Ron
When I bought mine I knew they were not going to want to correct mine using this very point, so I had saved my original brochure for the 2011 that said 'All season'..That is why I got so vocal with them. They were still trying to decide how to fix it when I traded the unit. I believe that is why my new Sandpiper and the following ones came this way. I had a LONG discussion with the factory rep while ordering the 365 and told him it would not be taken if it came in without some sort of cut off for the rear kitchen. My dealer was even trying to figure out a way to do it. Good luck. Stay on them and make them do it. I still think there are a lot of people in your shoes, they just haven't noticed it yet!
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Old 08-16-2012, 05:08 PM   #13
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Turbo, did not really say they did something "wrong" really, I said design issue. I did special order this coach and no "artic option" was available, however everything offered in this type of package was pretty much standard, enclosed and insulated underbelly, All six tanks with electric heating controlled by a switch, and thermostat, upgraded insulation, cold room tested, R-38 in ceiling and floor, 2 layers of insulation, all 5 sides of each slide out insulated. Marketing material describes 10 hour testing at 0 degrees .......I mean why bother giving me heated tanks when there is around 8-10 feet of pipe in the rear kitchen that has "zero insulation" over the plumbing and has 100 percent exposed pipes. Really, I don't care that that there is no insulation on the pipes because 99 percent of my winter camping if it is 32 degrees or below out I will have my butt cooking inside...Just should have given me a way to isolate the kitchen out of the system in the winter so I could use the rest of the plumbing in the entire coach. Your only as safe as your weakest link, if a pipe bursts in the outside kitchen and I'm done. Thanks
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Old 11-25-2013, 04:10 PM   #14
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This old thread just saved me a headache. I ran across it when I was studying up on our currently-on-order Silverback 35QB4. Long story short, I brought up the unprotected outside kitchen lines to my dealer, who contacted the manufacturer, and the word back was that they will put in a set of shut-offs for me. So, thanks to Kevcher95 if you're still watching.

We'll see what I end up with here in a few weeks...
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Old 11-25-2013, 04:56 PM   #15
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Here is a pic of the cut-off I asked to be put in after our 355QBQ did not have. I was VERY unhappy with FR on that model for that. They put these on the 365SAQ as a condition of my order. Makes it really easy to winterize and then shut them off, only problem is the outside kitchen can't be used in cold weather. But I love to winter camp, so we make do with the inside kitchen . One thing I did do in the 355 for several nights is I put an electric blanket over the bottom of the slide and it kept the water lines from freezing in 8* weather for 3 days. No water got to it.
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That ^ configuration is what I suggested. I guess we'll see how receptive they are to my suggestion.
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Old 01-10-2014, 03:30 PM   #17
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Well, Cedar Creek's interpretation of adding a set of valves to be able to shut off the outside kitchen to prevent its freezing is this:



That would be two plastic valves on the outside of the camper, completely unprotected from the cold. And it only cost me an additional $250 have this done.

Completely clueless. And they had the audacity to refer to the $250 as an "Engineering Fee." I'm sorta curious as to what other "engineering" tidbits I might find as I get to know the camper...
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