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Old 01-21-2017, 03:42 PM   #1
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38EL 2017 Hydraulic Problems Slide Outs

Has anyone experienced slide out retraction problems with the 38EL hydraulic system? Seems I have to occasionally turn off two rooms to get one in, and end up doing them all one by one. Took it to the dealer the first time and they said they changed a valve, all looked the same when i got it back. Saw cleaning rags and carper cleaner under bed, with hydraulic fluid on them, as if bled system. Just wondered if anyone else had this slide in problem. Losing faith in Forest River.
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Old 01-21-2017, 08:07 PM   #2
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Sounds as if you may have a cylinder piston seal bypassing. There's a test for this on the Lippert website in their Lip Sheets. These hydraulic systems "self bleed" by fully extending and retracting the slides 3-4 times in a row. There's no need to crack a line. Maybe there was a leak under the bed?
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Old 01-23-2017, 07:35 AM   #3
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I've cycled our Slides at least 3 dozen times. Only anomalies is the entertainment slide (curb side) occasionally sticks at the top. Did have one time the theater seat / Table slide didn't extend all the way. Stopped about 1'' from fully extended. Started to close then open and it worked.
I did find our hydraulic reservoir a quart low. Followed procedures to check with everything retracted including landing legs. Added quart. Couldn't find any leaks. Hopefully it was like that from factory?
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Old 01-23-2017, 08:27 AM   #4
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Yes.

Gone through the whole thing. Slides started being hard to bring in, then they creeped out, and got to the point that they almost fell out driving down the road. The dealer spent weeks fiddling with it, and apparently there was debris in the line.......they got it back together and it passed all tests and still works now.

If that is a reason to ditch an entire line, I am afraid you're going to stay disappointed with any trailer. And even at this, it's a Lippert problem, not a Forest River problem. What trailer uses anyone other than them for slide hydraulics???

I've had a ton of stuff go wrong with mine. It's in the shop now. But now that all that is fixed, I am tickled with it and look forward to years of use.
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If that is a reason to ditch an entire line, I am afraid you're going to stay disappointed with any trailer. And even at this, it's a Lippert problem, not a Forest River problem. What trailer uses anyone other than them for slide hydraulics???

I've had a ton of stuff go wrong with mine. It's in the shop now. But now that all that is fixed, I am tickled with it and look forward to years of use.
I continue to be eluded by the statement it's not FR or in this case CC it's ABC manufactures problem.
If I have an issue with a new vehicle I take it back to the selling dealer I bought it from not whoever made the dudad I'm having an issue with. In this case Lippert warrants it to FR and then FR warranties it ultimately to the consumer.

I had a Ford truck that had a Navistar engine (International) I took it back to the Ford dealer not the local International dealer. If you have a problem with a Dodge truck you take it to a Dodge dealer not a Cummins shop.
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I continue to be eluded by the statement it's not FR or in this case CC it's ABC manufactures problem.
If I have an issue with a new vehicle I take it back to the selling dealer I bought it from not whoever made the dudad I'm having an issue with. In this case Lippert warrants it to FR and then FR warranties it ultimately to the consumer.

I had a Ford truck that had a Navistar engine (International) I took it back to the Ford dealer not the local International dealer. If you have a problem with a Dodge truck you take it to a Dodge dealer not a Cummins shop.
OK. But where you take it for repair is not what I was discussing.

But that isn't the issue. If Dodge and Chevy and Ford and Nissan and Toyota and EVERY manufacturer used a Navistar engine, and it had a lot of problems on every platform, then saying "I'll never own another Chevy because of this Navistar issue" would be a bit silly since there is no alternative.

I simply asked what other trailer manufacturer used something other than Lippert hydraulics for the slides.
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I agree with you that probably over 90% of the trailers made today use Lippert components, but I'd bet not 100%.

I guess I'm done with the mediocrity of most of this industry and have decided to save my pennies and break out from the FR and Thor brands.

When 2 companies control almost 90% of the market it is very difficult for the consumer to have a voice. Since 2009 Lippert has spent 300 million dollars acquiring companies so to say the least it's very difficult.
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Old 01-23-2017, 06:43 PM   #8
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I have the same problem with my 2017 cedar creek. Going in for repair Feb.16 I have 8 items on my to be repaired list. I still think cedar creek is one of the better built rvs out there.
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Update. Had the same problem with my 34re. Was in the shop last week. They replaced a valve in mine too. It worked fine the next day when I left the camp ground . Haven't tried it since. Hopefully it's fixed.
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Well, still not fixed. Lazydays rv techs are a joke. While realigning one slide, he broke 3 teeth off a pinion gear on the opposite slide. Had to order a new gear pack which I
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Don't know where you are located, but for me the only place I take my CC is to Amish RV repair in Topeka Indiana. It is about 2 miles from the factory. They have always done excellent work and they know these units. Most of the folks that work there came from CC. To give you an idea of my confidence in them I am on my second CC and haul my CC from Alabama just to have the work done there.

Orvan Fry is the owner and overall good guy.
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Don't know where you are located, but for me the only place I take my CC is to Amish RV repair in Topeka Indiana. It is about 2 miles from the factory. They have always done excellent work and they know these units. Most of the folks that work there came from CC. To give you an idea of my confidence in them I am on my second CC and haul my CC from Alabama just to have the work done there.

Orvan Fry is the owner and overall good guy.


I plan on going by his place next month on my way west, he is a good guy. I plan to have him look at a few items and schedule something for around the rally.
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Cody 1884 where is the valve located? Is it the one located in the service bay where our hookups are at we have 2017 29re ? The curbside slide won't come in sometimes if i close the other 2 knobs it works. The dealer seems to think it is a problem with the breakers. Thanks
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jjcook the valve is on the back of the pump it self. They called it a valve body. Am scheduled to have it replaced on the 19th. Of this month. Will update after repair is done if they get it fixed this time. I have had problems with my two main slides scene June of last year. Would have to turn off 2 slides to get one to come in. They go out fine. 2017 34RE Bedroom slide works fine. I did find one think, I always used the remote to run the slides in and out so I could keep an eye on things. One day I used the switch on the control panel and they came in as they should. That has worked most of the time. I will be mentioning that to the tech on the 19th
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Cody1884 Thanks for the reply please keep informed. It is just strange that mine works 90% of the time like someone else said maybe it is trash in the lines . The service tech I talked with today from the dealer said cc is having trouble with this problem.
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Replacing under warranty Hydraulic Cylinder, out of stock currently, hmmmmm, no recall but cant keep the part in stock, hmmmmm. I bet if I paid cash for it the thing would appear...... oh well, she will be up and traveling like new soon, thanks for all the info and support
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What is the likely chance that a dozen or a hundred coaches have trash in the lines causing slide problems? I doubt it. Very likely a valve or pump design issue. My thought is if you have to close one or two valves to get slides in then is a flow/pressure issue. Flow/pressure is what makes them move. When my coach was being prepped they installed a 100 amp fuse replacing a 60. Dealer did this. It was mounted under the front.
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Just got off the phone with Jay at Lippert he said that a dealer needs to do a cylinder by-pass test on the slidouts to start with the one that won't retract then the other ones. So now all I have to do is find a dealer that I trust. And won't have it for months.
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I'm at the dealer camp ground I bought mine from now. Mine is going in for the slide problem in the morning. I will mention this to the service writer. This will be the third time here for the same problem. It will be fixed or someone is going to die lol. I'm dropping the hammer on someone tomorrow. Its not leaving the service bay till everything is to my satisfaction.
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Cody 1884 Jay also said to have someone push in on the slide while someone else holds the in button , he said that is just more info. for the tech. Keep us informed as to what you find out tomorrow.
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