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Old 01-10-2013, 10:20 PM   #1
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Anyone installed Auto levelers on a Silverback?

We are interested in installing Automatic Level jacks on our Silverback 35RE. Our local dealer said this would have to be done at the factory. Does anyone have advice on this?
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:06 AM   #2
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I would call FR directly, as I don't think the frames are reinforced for leveling jacks on a Silverback.
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:33 AM   #3
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I heard of Big Foot as an after-market levelling system. Kind of pricey but here's a link... Fifth Wheel - Bigfoot Quadra Manufacturing

Just have to find a shop to install it.

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Old 01-11-2013, 10:30 AM   #4
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I asked this question last summer as we were looking at trailers with and without.

General consensus was if it did not come with them, you need to make sure the frame can handle them. Otherwise, those that have them, love them.
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This was asked on another thread on these forums, to which I replied that it is not recommended by forest river. This I got from speaking to an engineer at the forest river factory when I asked the same question? The frames are built by Lippert and I suppose one could go there for an answer!
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:43 PM   #6
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We have a Cedar Creek, and Lippert Service Center installed the LevelUp system in August. It was recommended by Cedar Creek, to have it installed by Lippert as an after market install, as the frame is made by them. Not sure who from FR said they are not recommended, since FR does NOT make the frames, but Lippert does. As I said Cedar Creek does recommend it. LevelUp is installed by Cedar Creek on their 5th wheels on their production line as an option. If you are still not sure, call Justin or Kevin at Cedar Creek 260-593-2326. Also, call Kelly at Lippert, 574-312-6112, she is very knowledgeable on their frames and the LevelUp. In all reality, since Lippert makes the frame, they are the best to answer any questions you might have, also I know from experience the guys at Cedar Creek will work with you and answer your questions about it. Both Cedar Creek and the Lippert Service Center are great people to work with!! As far as the LevelUp, we love it!!!!! If you consider to ease and convenience, it is worth the expense, ours cost right at $4400.00 out the door. I've posted on other threads about it too, and we have had no problems with the system and in fact it has "saved the day" may times.

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Old 01-11-2013, 10:37 PM   #7
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I think what the others were saying was the Silverbacks can't have the leveling on them, not the Cedar Creeks. I had heard that also. The frames are different between the two. We love our Level up, works great and we haven't had a problem with ours on our Cedar Creek.
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We have a Cedar Creek, and Lippert Service Center installed the LevelUp system in August. It was recommended by Cedar Creek, to have it installed by Lippert as an after market install, as the frame is made by them. Not sure who from FR said they are not recommended, since FR does NOT make the frames, but Lippert does. As I said Cedar Creek does recommend it. LevelUp is installed by Cedar Creek on their 5th wheels on their production line as an option. If you are still not sure, call Justin or Kevin at Cedar Creek 260-593-2326. Also, call Kelly at Lippert, 574-312-6112, she is very knowledgeable on their frames and the LevelUp. In all reality, since Lippert makes the frame, they are the best to answer any questions you might have, also I know from experience the guys at Cedar Creek will work with you and answer your questions about it. Both Cedar Creek and the Lippert Service Center are great people to work with!! As far as the LevelUp, we love it!!!!! If you consider to ease and convenience, it is worth the expense, ours cost right at $4400.00 out the door. I've posted on other threads about it too, and we have had no problems with the system and in fact it has "saved the day" may times.

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Old 01-18-2013, 05:57 AM   #9
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leveling system

I am having lippert levelers (6 point) put on my S/B 29RE. It has to be installed at a Lippert authorized dealer. The frames are OK. Lippert makes the frames and leveling system. I talked to an engeneer at cedar creek and that is the system they install as an option.
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:22 AM   #10
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Well there you go, I was wrong!! The engineer I talked to at Forest River told me that it was not possible. Now I'm interested in your installation as that is the trailer we have. Post back when you get it installed let us know how it turned out? Thanks
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Question Frame - Automatic Levelling

I could be totally wrong, but we have a Silverback 35QB4, and I think that it has the identical Lippert frame as the Cedar Creek 36B4?

I would think that your 36RE would have the identical frame as that on the Cedar Creek "sister" model???

I thought that the only reason the auto level system wasn't a factory option on the Silverback is purely the difference in options and trim level between Cedar Creek and Silverback.

I have heard anecdotally from lots of guys that had the retrofit done on their Silverback by Lippert.

I'm really curious for my own edification - can somebody let me know if my understanding is correct or totally wrong?!

Thanks all, and enjoy your auto level!
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I just ordered a Rockwood 8289WS and inquired if the factory could install the Level Up system. The factory replied that they could not, but I believe that was just because they do not "normally" install the system.

I sent an email to Lippert inquiring whether the Level Up could be installed on the RV. Lippert replied that the four point Level Up system could safely be installed, and referred me to the closest Lippert certified Sales/Service center.

IMHO it pays to check with the frame manufaturer for the straight scoop.

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wa3pt I agree I would suggest anyone to check with the frame manufacturer if the trailer is't available with one, I wonder why they suggested the 4 point over a six point, though that part I'm not sure I agree with, we have 6 and I would prefer more on our length.

mdamm the Silverbacks and Cedar Creeks have different frames, a lot of people think they are the same ones. Cedar Creeks have a drop down frame
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:15 PM   #14
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Lippert recommended the four point because the length of the 8289WS is only 29 feet.

Here is the answer I received to my inquiry:

George,

Yes, Level up can be installed on your coach. RV Lifestyles can install the system on your coach. A 29foot trailer would be a 4 point system.

For pricing you would need to contact RV Lifestyles. The contact is James and the number is 928-927-8222.

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Old 01-19-2013, 09:49 PM   #15
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My trailer is around 40' the six point is 8' from the rear so the six point levels the trailer for me but to stabilize it I have to you a tripod on the hitch for the washer and dryer movement and two jacks at the rear end to absorb bounce. That's why I was saying I would like a 6 points better for your trailer if I was you, for stability when walking around and in strong wind.
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wa3pt I agree I would suggest anyone to check with the frame manufacturer if the trailer is't available with one, I wonder why they suggested the 4 point over a six point, though that part I'm not sure I agree with, we have 6 and I would prefer more on our length.

mdamm the Silverbacks and Cedar Creeks have different frames, a lot of people think they are the same ones. Cedar Creeks have a drop down frame
Can you explain the difference in frames to me please?

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Well they are two different frames I haven't been able to find a picture to show you. One example is the CC use a drop down frame it shows up in the storage compartment. The CC has about I'd guess 14" more room in the basement, then a silverback. So the whole front is different.
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We love our Level up, works great and we haven't had a problem with ours on our Cedar Creek.
I'm considering this option when I buy a new trailer. Question: In case of a motor failure, does it have a manual override? If so, how easy is it to engage? Do you have to crawl under the trailer and remove a motor (as on my electric tongue jack)?

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Pure CC vs. CC Silverback frames

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Well they are two different frames I haven't been able to find a picture to show you. One example is the CC use a drop down frame it shows up in the storage compartment. The CC has about I'd guess 14" more room in the basement, then a silverback. So the whole front is different.
Thanks for the clarification - I had always thought
that the basic frame was identical! Appreciate your comments. Going
to have a closer look on the FR website at the CC models to get a
better appreciation of the difference. Thanks again!
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I'm considering this option when I buy a new trailer. Question: In case of a motor failure, does it have a manual override? If so, how easy is it to engage? Do you have to crawl under the trailer and remove a motor (as on my electric tongue jack)?

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Have to read the book for full details, but rough details are my leveling gear is tied to my slides so you close the valves to the slides and use a drill on the end of the pump motor and it will run it, if the motor goes out.
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