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Old 10-24-2014, 02:42 PM   #1
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Cedar Creek 34 RLSA 2013 , pin weight

I have a 2011 3/4 ton GMC Sierra pulling a 34 RLSA cedar creek fifth wheel . I weighed the trailer today before heading out and it weighed 13940 lbs , with a pin weight of 3120 lbs . I have been pulling this unit for about a year and a half .

What I'm asking is , is the pin weight to heavy for this truck . The combined GCWR was 22120 lbs. thanks for any help out there .
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Old 10-24-2014, 08:24 PM   #2
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You should look it up your total gross vehicle weight on your truck for towing
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Old 10-24-2014, 10:34 PM   #3
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What I'm asking is , is the pin weight to heavy for this truck .
Open your driver's door and look for the sticker that says something like "total weight of passengers and cargo should not exceed x,xxx lbs." What is that number?
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Old 10-25-2014, 03:58 AM   #4
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I have a 2014 34 RLSA with dual pane windows with approximately the same pin weight. I pulled it for over a year with a 2011 Silverado 2500 HD D/A with Firestone Air bags. It squatted too much for me without the bags. With bags it pulled and towed great. I just recently traded for a 2015 Silverado 3500 HD SRW.
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Old 10-25-2014, 04:32 AM   #5
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I have a 2011 3/4 ton GMC Sierra pulling a 34 RLSA cedar creek fifth wheel . I weighed the trailer today before heading out and it weighed 13940 lbs , with a pin weight of 3120 lbs . I have been pulling this unit for about a year and a half .

What I'm asking is , is the pin weight to heavy for this truck . The combined GCWR was 22120 lbs. thanks for any help out there .
10 to 1 your over, still must tow all right you been doing it. Do you use air bags to level you out? That is a lot of pin weight. What are the #'s on the door jam? What kinda of Sierra?
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:41 AM   #6
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No doubt you're over the trucks GVW and payload. And probably right at the RAWR. If you aren't having issues with it then next time you need tires maybe upgrade to some with a higher load capacity. Assuming they aren't already adequate.
JMO but if you are happy with the way it tows keep it.
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10 to 1 your over, still must tow all right you been doing it. Do you use air bags to level you out? That is a lot of pin weight. What are the #'s on the door jam? What kinda of Sierra?
I have a 2013 CC 34RLSA. Had mine weighed at the FROG rally this summer. Pin weight was 3725 with a trailer weight of 15275 (24%). I have the optional 7K axles so trailer GVWR is 15500. I tow with a 2013 Chevy 1 ton diesel dually, so well within weights for the truck. But I think heavy pin weights like this are pretty common on this model CC.
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I have a 2013 CC 34RLSA. Had mine weighed at the FROG rally this summer. Pin weight was 3725 with a trailer weight of 15275 (24%). I have the optional 7K axles so trailer GVWR is 15500. I tow with a 2013 Chevy 1 ton diesel dually, so well within weights for the truck. But I think heavy pin weights like this are pretty common on this model CC.
Well you won't get a disagreement from me as I stated it's a lot of pin weight only, I know first hand of a person with a 38' CC and tow's it with a 3/4 ton Sierra without problems. I don't doubt the pin weight is that. That's not what I meant, and I'm sure your within your weight with a 1 ton. Still waiting for an answer from the OP on his sticker. Can't answer the OP question without the info that was asked for.
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You should look it up your total gross vehicle weight on your truck for towing
Hi thanks for replying , the gcvr is 24,500 but the Gvwr is 10,000 so I'm slightly over on the truck because of the pin weight .Will have to look into this some more .
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10 to 1 your over, still must tow all right you been doing it. Do you use air bags to level you out? That is a lot of pin weight. What are the #'s on the door jam? What kinda of Sierra?
Your right I'm over on the vehicle GVWR but under on the trailer GVWR and the combined GW of both . It all has to do with the pin weight , so short of having to trade not sure what to do , would air bags help ? The trailer has 7000 lb axles , the truck a 2011 Sierra HD diesel . ..? ?
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Your right I'm over on the vehicle GVWR but under on the trailer GVWR and the combined GW of both . It all has to do with the pin weight , so short of having to trade not sure what to do , would air bags help ? The trailer has 7000 lb axles , the truck a 2011 Sierra HD diesel . ..? ?
Yes air bags will help to level you out. I'm sure you still will be over weight but if you are towing fine, So what in my opinion. AS long as you are safe, and others on the highway. That is your decision nobody's else. Like I said I have a friend that pulls a 38' with a sierra. You have the power it's just the suspension and air bags would help that. I don't know how much your over in your rear axle, that is to debate, but I wouldn't worry about a few 100 lbs or so. Your breaking alot behind you so make sure you have a good controller and let it do most of the breaking for you. I'm sure people will argue but it's not theirs it's yours......
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You say you're over GVWR- are you over on rear axle or tire weight capacity?
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I had a 2009 F250 that towed my 34SATS without any problems except for the sag. Newer trucks are built softer for better rides and more family use. I had Timbren bushings installed instead of air bags. This helped level the truck. The Timbrens is less experience and don't have to worry about leaky air lines.


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Air bags will help level the ride, but won't increase capacity
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Old 10-31-2014, 01:36 PM   #15
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I won't start the debate again. But this is what Ford said in My Ford Magazine:

My Ford Owner Magazine | CHOPPER SUPPORT
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Old 10-31-2014, 02:08 PM   #16
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I won't start the debate again. But this is what Ford said in My Ford Magazine:

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Out of curiosity how does a two inch lift kit add 5,000 lb capacity?

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Out of curiosity how does a two inch lift kit add 5,000 lb capacity?

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Well, I didn't say it, Ford did. So you'd have to ask them. I would only be speculating, but my guess is beefier suspension components or more suspension travel. Either way, it seems to indicate that the suspension is the weak link and by modifying it you can, in fact, increase towing capability- contrary to the oft repeated mantra on the forums.
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Well, I didn't say it, Ford did. So you'd have to ask them. I would only be speculating, but my guess is beefier suspension components or more suspension travel. Either way, it seems to indicate that the suspension is the weak link and by modifying it you can, in fact, increase towing capability- contrary to the oft repeated mantra on the forums.
Huh.
I find it hard to fathom but hey if they say it's so ................

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I didn't read that Ford said anything. Someone put the lift kit on the Ford and Ford said at the bottom if you put the lift kit on and something went wrong then it was not Fords fault


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I think this is a fact that if trucks that pull campers would have to stop at DOT weigh stations then the big trucks would never get in. Most people pull to much camper with to little truck. I see it in every campground I go too. I say
If you can pull camper and you feel safe then then don't worry about the truck you have. If you cause a wreck no one is going to put all your junk back togather again and say you were overweight


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