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Old 02-18-2013, 07:36 PM   #1
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Ceder Creek 34RLSA

We are looking at the Ceder Creek 34RLSA. If any of you own one please give me your honest opinion on the product and what you Tow Vehicle is for this unit.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:51 PM   #2
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I have had my 2013 34 RLSA since October and I absolutely love it. We added most of the options that were available at the time. If the floorplan works for you I would highly suggest it. I tow mine with a 2004.5 chevy 2500 HD diesel, it pulls it fine and I dont have any concerns about it. I did add airbags but thats it.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:27 PM   #3
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Thanks, I just purchased a Dodge Ram 2500 I6 two wheel drive with the 3.73 gear and was not sure about the weight of that unit.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:49 PM   #4
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Cool Really?

Dry Hitch Weight2,085 lbs Dry Ship Weight11,569 lbs GVWR14,085 lbs Cargo Carrying Capacity2,516 lbs Exterior Length36 ft. 8 in. Exterior Height12 ft. 11 in. Exterior Width96 in. Fresh Water Capacity66 Gal Gray Water Capacity80 Gal Black Water Capacity40 Gal Awning Size16 ft.

With a 2004 Chevy 2500HD? You are AT LEAST 2000 Lbs over the Max towing capacity. AND I bet most other capacities also.

Will it do it YES, I'm sure it will. Will you be legal, no you won't.

I just traded in my 2008 Lakota 33SKQ (14K), which is VERY similar to the Cedar Creek and bought a VCross 275VRL which is at 10K GVWR. My 2007 Chevy 2500HD Diesel is rated at 12K tow capacity. My truck is VERY VERY happy, although I towed the big rig for 4 years with no apparent problem. I was always a little worried tho, about being above capacity. The newer Chevy's have a higher tow capacity, so are not a problem on paper at least.

Another thing that annoyed me about the center island units is that they make the unit unaccessible in the kitchen and rear area with the slides folded in. SO that means that you HAVE to run the kitchen slide OUT just to load up the camper or anytime you want to do anything except go to the head. My Lakota, at least gave me access to the Refrigerator with the slides in, but not anything else in the rear of the unit.

My 2 cents, not worth much, I know.
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You should be fine. I have a 95 dodge 2500 also 5.9 cummins and 410000 miles that I would use to pull this trailer if I had to. The 3\4 ton truck has same engine, transmission and rear end that the one ton has and by adding airbags you will be sitting level.
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Nope, garbonz, not over the max towing on my truck. It is diesel max towing of a fifth wheel is 15,500 lbs. Checked and double checked. The 12000 lbs is for a bumper pull trailer.
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Dodge Ram 2500 I6 diesel - straight out of the owners manual for a two wheel drive Towing: 15,450 lbs (7008 kg) - max Payload: 2,580 lbs (1170 kg) - max...I think I'm ok on this unit
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The max pulled with my 95 cummins was 34, 000 lbs on the scale about 2 months ago. I only went about 30 miles with the load but she held about 60 mph without a problem but that was heavy. 14, 000 lbs for a trailer is easily within the capabilities of your truck in my opinion.
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Dodge Ram 2500 I6 diesel - straight out of the owners manual for a two wheel drive Towing: 15,450 lbs (7008 kg) - max Payload: 2,580 lbs (1170 kg) - max...I think I'm ok on this unit
Can your truck pull it? Likely. Will it possibly be overloaded? Let's find out...

Your maximum payload of 2,580 assumes a few things:
- a 150 lb. driver and no other passengers
- a full tank of fuel

It's possibly just a base truck, possibly in your trim range. Unless it's handwritten or typed in after the fact, the manual is for that model and unlikely for your actual vehicle. For your actual vehicle, there may be a sticker on the door jamb that tells you what your actual payload is. Mine looks like this:


This 2,580 does not include anything that was added onto the truck aftermarket (like your fifth wheel hitch, running boards, bed liner, bed rug, steps, front hitches, toolboxes, etc) nor does it include whatever you weigh over 150 pounds or any passengers, pets or things you carry in the truck (food, snacks, GPS, etc) or truck bed (firewood, generator, stinky slinky hose containers, extra tables, tools, etc). These things add up and you're likely at 2,000 pounds or less in actual payload.

Now, looking at the specs of the fifth wheel that you're consider:
Cedar Creek Website

Shows:
Dry Hitch Weight - 2,085 lbs.
Unloaded Vehicle Weight - 11,569 lbs.
GVWR - 14,085 lbs.

The dry hitch weight is approximately 18% of the unloaded vehicle weight (generally without batteries, propane or any fluids in the tanks/system). Going solely off of the dry hitch weight and the assumption that you have 500 pounds of miscellaneous stuff in the truck - you're at the truck's limit, if not slightly over.

Now, because no one hauls an empty camper, you're going to be somewhere between the unloaded vehicle weight (11,569) and the maximum gross vehicle weight (14,085). Given that same 18% hitch weight, you're looking at a a possible maximum of 2,535 pounds. Now, this can go up or down, depending on how much stuff you take, how you load (if you have heavy things in the front storage, your hitch weight could go up to 20% or higher (pushing your hitch weight up to 2,800 if you've maxed out the trailer's weight - unlikely, but only you can decide what you'll plan for).

All told - you have to decide what is right for you and your family. Some people know trucks and vehicles a whole lot better than I and can make assumptions based on that. For me, at the end of the day, I have to go solely based on the numbers. If it were me, I would pass on that truck and look bigger or consider a smaller camper.

But, if nothing else - you need to be educated about what these numbers mean. You can't go off of the comments of others that "I've done it forever and it's been OK" or "I've pulled a kajillion pounds and it was fine". You need to decide and choose.
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The max pulled with my 95 cummins was 34, 000 lbs on the scale about 2 months ago. I only went about 30 miles with the load but she held about 60 mph without a problem but that was heavy. 14, 000 lbs for a trailer is easily within the capabilities of your truck in my opinion.
But were you within all of the manufacturer's published specs for the truck? Or were you knowingly exceeding one or more of them?
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