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Old 12-21-2013, 11:16 AM   #21
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my 2010 36RE listed for 84,000, did not come with a ducted vent, my 2013 CKTS 89,000 no vent, Aviator stickered for 90,000, no vent ,2008 Airstream 48,000 vent. go figure.
Evidently the factory expects those with the more spendy rigs to eat out.
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Old 12-21-2013, 01:34 PM   #22
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I imagine if you cook a lot of greasy food or fry with oils it could be a problem and the mod would be useful. It's not a concern for us... so far the only things we cooked on the range was steamed veggies, oatmeal and hot water for tea.

On the rare occasion when we have bacon I cook outside on the Coleman. Even with a vent I wouldn't want to cook greasy splattering food in that confined of an area... it will still splatter all around the range area. The majority of all our cooking is outside on the Weber Q... a big part of the camping experience is cooking and eating outside anyway.
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Old 12-26-2013, 06:37 PM   #23
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I did the same mod as Joe_GA on our 2010 36RE without any problems with a total cost of around $25.00 for the vent and tape, easy to do and really helps the wife in kitchen. Well worth the effort
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:16 PM   #24
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The lack of an exhaust vent was one of the first things I noticed upon taking posession of our new Salem park model RV by Forest River. After researching the issue, I became convinced the lack of such a powered outside exhaust vent over an open gas range is a violation of ANSI Standards which apply to RV’s like mine. After discussing the matter with the Dealer, Manufacturer and the U S Consumer Products Safety commission, it does not seem to me that representatives of any of these organizations are concerned that the lack of such an external exhaust is a real danger to us consumers in the following ways:

1. Air pollution - Carbon Dioxide, Carbon Monoxide and other cooking gasses released into a relatively small inhabited space such as an RV are considered to be a serious hazard to humans by the EPA under its Air Pollution Standards.
2. Fire Hazard - Recirculating range hoods are a known fire hazard and can make a small cooking fire into a much worse problem by quickly filling the living space with noxious fumes and igniting the grease loaded charcoal filter often found in this type of over-the-range hood.
3: Odor Problem - The use of a ceiling mounted power exhaust vent when cooking is better than no outside vent at all, but it results in wasting lots of expensive interior heat during cold weather and allows much more extensive permeation of cooking odors throughout a much larger part of the RV’s interior.
Much to my disappointment our dealer avoided any responsibility for selling a product with a recirculating range hood which is known to be unsafe, by blaming the manufacturer. The manufacture claimed it is not in violation of any Standards or Codes, and the U S Consumer Products Commission avoids any responsibility at all for the matter by claiming it doesn’t fall under their jurisdiction (even though the NTHSA has clearly delegated the matter of trailer appliance safety to them in other legal proceedings).
Accordingly, I have made arrangements to modify our recirculating range hood to vent it to the outside of the RV for the above reasons even though I believe the Manufacturer should have voluntarily taken care of the problem under their implied warranty of meeting all RVIA Codes. It will cost me about $150 to have the vent modified but I consider it will be money well spent.
If there is a pro-bono RV lawyer out there who might wish to follow up on this matter before too many of us are damaged by the lack of adequate range hoods, I would be happy to provide you with copies of all the correspondence I have accumulated on the issue over the past year.
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Old 12-28-2013, 10:05 PM   #25
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Cheesy grease traps are the same regardless of whether the fan is up and in or out through the side. Possibly having a penetration in the side may be more of a hazard if there is a fire. There is no carbon monoxide in an open face stove unless your a REALLY bad cook.

Lots of apartments and the like have internally vented hoods.

Having said that, I also will be doing the vent mod myself, but I'm not going to sue anyone.

Just saying.
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Old 12-29-2013, 11:01 AM   #26
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Cool Venting Odors

In response to Post#24...
Without discussing (or arguing) the merits of the of individual points, I must admit that I'm stuck on the one labeled as #3, Odors. I wonder why one would want to remove those wonderful cooking aromas that we love. The smell of coffee and breakfast permeating the unit and waking us from our sleep. Garlic and onions sautéing in preparation of the evening meal. Bread and cookies baking in the oven and the list goes on.

Also utilizing a ceiling fan for exhaust is the bathroom. Some use the standard 4" anemic fan, some use a 7" turbo fan and some use the same 9" super dooper model that is in the ceiling of the main living area. The object is to remove moisture and not so pleasing gasses from the unit.
So one could debate which odors can stay and which should go, along with the environmental impact of accomplishing that task, into perpetuity.

Internally vented range hoods have maintenance specified in order to manage risk to an acceptable level i.e. filters must be cleaned. This is how those devices attain UL and/or CE ratings. Open flame cooktops also specify ventilation requirements and warnings as appropriate for the type of fuel and BTU output. So the issue of fire hazard is mitigated.
Operational smoke/fire alarms are required.

Now comes a modification to the unit. A nonstandard vent is installed on the ODS of the unit. Cooking fumes are now exhausted directly out the side and now permeate the adjacent campsite patio. The neighbors are offended by the aroma of whatever it is that you are burning and, after seeking informal resolution and failing to obtain any, file a suit. Once again the system goes into full speed ahead and the winners are:
The Lawyers.

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Old 12-29-2013, 01:47 PM   #27
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Old 12-29-2013, 10:14 PM   #28
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DRAT! You have exposed one of my main weaknesses - I’m a terrible cook. In fact, I’m so bad at it, I don’t even try, except to brew a cup of coffee each morning. But all that aside, I still have to leave the trailer when the wife is frying fish or creating other noxious odors on that devilish gas range with no vented hood above it. I guess I’m one of those grumps who doesn’t like to have his fresh clean air polluted unnecessarily with dangerous smoke, poisonous gasses and foul odors.
Regarding the use of unvented apartment gas ranges, in most all jurisdictions they are prohibited under modern building codes in new construction, and only allowed in older construction if there is no practical way to provide an outside exhaust - this does not mean that unvented gas ranges are a good idea.. There is simply no excuse for not installing an outside vented range hood over a gas range in a modern trailer, except perhaps the added cost of a few dollars to the manufacturer. Dangerous combustion gasses will build up much more rapidly in the smaller volume of a trailer than in a far more spacious apartment. Even without an uncontrolled range fire but as a result of regular cooking activities, considerable amounts of carbon dioxide may be released into an unvented trailer, and at the same time significant amounts of carbon monoxide can be produced by slightly misadjusted or dirty gas burners. These are real long term health hazards according to the EPA and their new clean air standards reflect such concerns.
After retiring, I put in ten years as a volunteer fireman. After many hours of watching fire training films, it became quite apparent that most residential fire victims are dead long before the fire actually reaches them - they die from inhaling deadly airborne products of the fire - and the very limited volume of trailers makes the danger of such deadly gasses much more severe.
Lastly, who said anything about suing anybody - after working for thirty years for the federal government, I am very familiar with the brush-off technique often used to avoid dealing with valid citizen concerns. I simply do not wish to spend any more of my time on this problem and hoped that someone with certified legal training and better bureaucratic arm-twisting abilities than I, might become interested in the merits of this issue and want to follow up on the matter.
As you can probably tell, I do not consider this as a humorous matter, but rather as potentially a matter of life or death for some of us RV’ers.
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Old 01-02-2014, 04:02 PM   #29
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I was looking thur my C/C papers and I found a cutout for a outside vent today, all you had to do is line up the cutout and make the cut. DW will not let me do it, I would make a mistake and make a wrong cut but I am going to take the C/C someplace and let someone else do it for me. I had already found a cutout to make the cut for the outside dryer, I just have to find someone to do the work.
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Old 01-02-2014, 04:33 PM   #30
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I was looking thur my C/C papers and I found a cutout for a outside vent today, all you had to do is line up the cutout and make the cut. DW will not let me do it, I would make a mistake and make a wrong cut but I am going to take the C/C someplace and let someone else do it for me. I had already found a cutout to make the cut for the outside dryer, I just have to find someone to do the work.
Hey spock, see the link that I posted on post 8 of this thread. Tell the person that does the work to read my post. I found 12 volt DC wires and 120 volt AC wires in the wall where the vent goes. Also, when cutting the hole for my dryer vent, I found another 120 volt AC wire running through the wall at that location.
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