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Old 05-27-2016, 10:54 AM   #1
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Pin box and front cap profile

Trying to decide which hitch and pin box combo to get for CC 34RL. I'm strongly leaning toward a Andersen Ultimate hitch for my Ram 3500 6'4" bed. Here are my questions:
1. With the Andersen Ultimate I'm reading on other forums that the Trail Air pin box is not necessary since Andersen eliminates the typical chucking and noise that most fifth wheel hitches cause. What pin box is standard on CC if I do not get the Trail Air upgrade and do you think the upgrade is necessary? I also understand that the Trail Air will raise the front up an extra inch or two which I don't really need/want with a Ram 3500 4x4.

2. With a standard bed truck I"m not planning on getting a slide hitch since the Andersen moves the pin a few inches (about 9) to the rear. So is the front cap profile taped enough that would help prevent any cab contact in extreme turing conditions? or not extreme conditions?

Sorry for the long winded post but with my family's safety and lots of money involved I want to make the smartest decision possible.
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Old 05-27-2016, 11:32 AM   #2
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Have a non slider hitch in my short box dodge with no problems. Front cap is tapered enough. I have a silverback 33rl. I drove truck for 43yrs, you should not put yourself into a backup of more than 45 degree if possible. More than that will put side wall stress on tires. Its all on proper setup before backing.
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Old 05-29-2016, 12:05 PM   #3
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Go over to Turbo Diesel Register. com and under the tow and hauling threads. There is a post by a user of the Anderson hitch in his short bed truck. Read thru the entire comments you might find out what he used for a pin box on his 5er.

I would still get the Trail Air pin box for your 5er. I am on my second 5er with this pin box installed and I will never by another 5er without one. The shock absorber and air bag helps the pin box to dampen out the up and down motion that you get with a trailer when driving on concrete road surfaces. Which most interstate roads are now.
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Old 05-29-2016, 12:45 PM   #4
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florabama....
I do not know anything about the Andersen Ultimate ....but I did search and looked at the set up.
I don't see how or by how much it could reduce chucking...from what I could see or read.
Is there some kind of 'rubber bumper' or some movement to take up the 'chucking' ???

However, as a Trail Air Tri-Glide owner I can honestly say it is money well spent.
It 'does' reduce the chucking ...practically eliminates it all.
Chucking is one of the most aggravating, tiring, uncomfortable side effects of 5th wheeling. Now with less infrastructure spending = very little road repairs on many highways the ride in the cab is rougher than ever.
The Trail Air really helps !

The Air-Bag and Shock Absorber ~smooths out~ those jarring bumps and definitely reduces any damage that could be caused by sudden dips and hidden humps at 60mph....both on the 5th wheel frame and the truck as well.

Everything inside the 5th wheel is under less stress, as I have tested to see how much difference the Air Bag ride does provide. I placed items around inside on counters and table.... I found them to be still in place with very little movement after traveling to and from campsites.

As far as raising the front... there should be enough adjustment to bring it down with the Hitch and pinbox adjustment holes.

Hope this helps
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Old 05-29-2016, 01:22 PM   #5
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OK... I just watched the video on the Anderson Hitch site and saw their 'claim' ...or at least how they figure what is the cause of 'chucking'.

They want you to believe that the common 5th wheel hitch is flexing and moving around in the back of your truck...well....FYI My 5th wheel hitch is not flexing and moving around and does not have several loose joints.... Further, the 'chucking' as we know it not caused by or at the hitch / pin box.

Chucking is the motion caused by the 'fight between the truck and trailer' as the truck wheels pass over a road bump or depression then the trailer wheels pass over the same bump or depression...causing a 'push - pull' sensation ...and so on... this my friends is 'Chucking'.

Another note why Anderson may think their hitch has no chucking is because the test rig in the video has a MorRyde Pin box on it which is known to reduce 'chucking'.

I am not saying don't buy the Anderson Hitch and I am not saying buy it.
All I am doing is pointing out that in the Anderson hitch video they are giving miss leading information....IMO.

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Old 06-01-2016, 03:15 PM   #6
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I am using the Andersen with my CC and short bed Ram. I have the standard pin box and cannot see/feel the need to spend more on a Trail Air or MoRyde. I enjoy a quiet secure connection with plenty of turning clearance. I marvel at how nice the ride is without the expensive pin box. I believe it is due to the hitch. That being said, I have not towed this trailer with any other hitch. There is slight chucking (forward/back motion) when traversing a larger road imperfection but nothing jarring.

4" offset from the GN connection point is all thats needed to achieve a near 90 turn (if ever needed) with my 36ckts.

I use a 4" offset GN ball to couple to the Andersen. I then orient the pin adapter with the ball connection behind the pin. This gives greater side wall and tailgate clearance than if I used a standard GN ball and oriented the adapter the opposite way. Either connection works just more clearence my way.

BTW my trailer is right at 13'6" with the standard pin box and my hitch at its lowest setting. You will want to consider that too as you shop for a trailer.

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Old 06-01-2016, 04:07 PM   #7
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There is slight chucking (forward/back motion) when traversing a larger road imperfection but nothing jarring.
HTH
The expense for the Trail Air would be a good investment "for me" if it would take care of what little chucking is experienced.
Appreciate your posting and it adds support to me going with the Andersen Ultimate.
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The expense for the Trail Air would be a good investment "for me" if it would take care of what little chucking is experienced.
Appreciate your posting and it adds support to me going with the Andersen Ultimate.
You will like the Andersen...I promise. I appreciate how easily the hitch can be removed and stored leaving an empty pickup bed to work with.
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Old 06-01-2016, 07:37 PM   #9
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Take a hard look at the Reese GooseBox.

I love mine. Amazed how smooth it is.
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:18 PM   #10
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Take a hard look at the Reese GooseBox.

I love mine. Amazed how smooth it is.
The Goosebox does look interesting to me too! I bet with the offset GN ball it would work in a short bed also.

Did you by chance clear it with Forest river for use on your trailer? Just wondering if they say anything about frame warranty with its use...
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