Tow Vehicle Diesel or Gas for CC 33 IK

[2 in a Roo]

Diesels love hard work, but gassers are acceptable too if you have the HP and drive train to manage it. In the end you have to ask yourself, do you really need to spend $6,000 to $9,000 MORE for that noisy diesel?

[17 Oaks]

Originally Posted by 2 in a Roo

Diesels love hard work, but gassers are acceptable too if you have the HP and drive train to manage it. In the end you have to ask yourself, do you really need to spend $6,000 to $9,000 MORE for that noisy diesel?

Well diesels, at least my Ford 2011-2017 are not noisy at all, in fact you can barely hear it running at idle or under power.

The cost, not sure, I think its around $78xx but could be more as I don't pay much attention, I am on my 4th one in my '17 F 350.

Now I have pulled plenty with a gasser under the hood and the difference between plling with gasser and diesel is truly night and day as is the experience, the safety envelope and the reduced stress of driving.

I often pull 12- 14k lbs when fully loaded, in fact I will run heavy in a few hours as we head out on a week plus trip for business. My avg mpg will be about 10.7 - 11.5. I will leave the ranch here in the Tex Hill Country run I 10 to Houston, then up to the Austin area and back home by a week from tomorrow. My trans won't spend its time up/down shifting looking for gears to challenge the Interstate traffic or as I travel the Hill Country which can send a trans into fits with its constant up and down the short hills.

While I typically drive around 65 mph, there are several roads I drive here in Tex with 80 mph speed limits, then I kick it up to 70 mph and if and when I need to pass I have the power to do it even 14k in tow.

Now if your load is just a light 1000 or so lbs the gasser will do fine I use it to pull my small trailers and jet ski which is right at 1000 lbs fully loaded. Gasser, great job, only a minor penalty in mpg, but if you go big the diesel is worth it.

[spock123]

I don't know where you get noisy diesel from, my Silverado is pretty quiet. I drove truck to Disney World from NC and back not pulling camper and I got 20.4 miles per gallon running 70mph or better.

[DouglasReid]

Originally Posted by 2 in a Roo

Diesels love hard work, but gassers are acceptable too if you have the HP and drive train to manage it. In the end you have to ask yourself, do you really need to spend $6,000 to $9,000 MORE for that noisy diesel?

Have you listened to any of the newer ones?..................MUCH quieter!

I will admit pulling a ROO you probably don't need one, but my 12,000 5er sails up the Mississippi river bridge behind my Duramax/Allison combo. With my old Ford Gasser, Not so much...........I would be down to 35 MPH with my foot to the floor by the time I got to the top.

The difference is night and day. I will never go back to a gasser for towing!

[2 in a Roo]

Originally Posted by 17 Oaks

Well diesels, at least my Ford 2011-2017 are not noisy at all, in fact you can barely hear it running at idle or under power.



The cost, not sure, I think its around $78xx but could be more as I don't pay much attention, I am on my 4th one in my '17 F 350.



Now I have pulled plenty with a gasser under the hood and the difference between plling with gasser and diesel is truly night and day as is the experience, the safety envelope and the reduced stress of driving.



I often pull 12- 14k lbs when fully loaded, in fact I will run heavy in a few hours as we head out on a week plus trip for business. My avg mpg will be about 10.7 - 11.5. I will leave the ranch here in the Tex Hill Country run I 10 to Houston, then up to the Austin area and back home by a week from tomorrow. My trans won't spend its time up/down shifting looking for gears to challenge the Interstate traffic or as I travel the Hill Country which can send a trans into fits with its constant up and down the short hills.



While I typically drive around 65 mph, there are several roads I drive here in Tex with 80 mph speed limits, then I kick it up to 70 mph and if and when I need to pass I have the power to do it even 14k in tow.



Now if your load is just a light 1000 or so lbs the gasser will do fine I use it to pull my small trailers and jet ski which is right at 1000 lbs fully loaded. Gasser, great job, only a minor penalty in mpg, but if you go big the diesel is worth it.

If I was pulling 6+ tons I'd have a diesel.

[bshort]

When it comes to choosing gas over diesel for towing, and someone chooses a gas rig, it's usually a financial decision. Then, they try to justify their financial decision by stating gas is comparable.

[DouglasReid]

Originally Posted by bshort

When it comes to choosing gas over diesel for towing, and someone chooses a gas rig, it's usually a financial decision. Then, they try to justify their financial decision by stating gas is comparable.

If that were the issue Id buy an older used diesel. In fact, I bought an 08 Chevy 2500 diesel about a year and a half ago with only 35000 miles for less than 1/2 the cost of a new truck.

The decision was a no brainer to me, but I don't ever buy a brand new vehicle. I prefer to let someone else take that huge depreciation hit.

[jacknife]

Noisy ? Listen to a gasser screaming to get a trailer up a hill. Todays Diesels are very quiet .

[CaptnJohn]

Originally Posted by bshort

When it comes to choosing gas over diesel for towing, and someone chooses a gas rig, it's usually a financial decision. Then, they try to justify their financial decision by stating gas is comparable.

True... but as stated below the resale is very good as well. Think an '08 gasser would bring 1/2 it's cost?

[rockfordroo]

Originally Posted by bshort

When it comes to choosing gas over diesel for towing, and someone chooses a gas rig, it's usually a financial decision. Then, they try to justify their financial decision by stating gas is comparable.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim they are comparable. But for some of us, you don't need a hammer to swat a fly.

[SilverbackMel]

❤️6.7 turbo D. ❤️❤️exhaust brake! 11mpg loaded, x country.
2008; 81,000 miles, hug it every morning.....

[2 in a Roo]

Originally Posted by jacknife

Noisy ? Listen to a gasser screaming to get a trailer up a hill. Todays Diesels are very quiet .

I haven't been in one newer than 09. [emoji15] it would be great if they were quieter.

A gasser with the right engine and drive train doesn't scream either.

Unless it's a Ram. Can't help you much there. [emoji6]

[prestonj12]

Originally Posted by 2 in a Roo

I haven't been in one newer than 09. [emoji15] it would be great if they were quieter.

A gasser with the right engine and drive train doesn't scream either.

Unless it's a Ram. Can't help you much there. [emoji6]

Pulling 8000 lbs up an 8% grade with my 2500HD gasser with 4.10 gears had to be at redline just to go 45 mph screaming up the hill with trans temps climbing to frightening temps. This was my experience. Now, my Duramax with 3.42 gears pulls the same hill with a new trailer weighing 10000 pounds right at 2500 rpm just as fast as I want to go. There is no comparison between the gas truck vs the diesel pulling real weight. Pulling my 4000 pound boat no benefit to the diesel. Pulling 4 or 5 tons; huge difference.

[DouglasReid]

Originally Posted by rockfordroo

I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim they are comparable. But for some of us, you don't need a hammer to swat a fly.

I agree with you on the hammer vs fly analogy.

I HAVE heard some say (on this very forum) they would NEVER go diesel and they are towing campers as heavy as mine. So on that point I would have to disagree!

[DouglasReid]

Originally Posted by 2 in a Roo

I haven't been in one newer than 09. [emoji15] it would be great if they were quieter.

A gasser with the right engine and drive train doesn't scream either.

[emoji6]

Mine is an 08 LMM Duramax and not loud at all.

gasser doesn't scream.....Basically not true. Most people do not realize that a gasser produces more torque than a diesel. It just does it at the top of its power curve while the diesel gets it near the bottom of its power curve. It doesn't wind up as tight because it does not have to.

So, when a gasser is pulling a heavy load, in TH (as it should always be), and faced with a hill, the gasser downshifts to be able to get the required torque and slowly climbs the hill while the engine is SCREAMING (just as it is designed and programmed to do).

[jrk341]

Most people do not realize that a gasser produces more torque than a diesel.


This statement is simply not true. What gas engine out there makes 900+ ft lb's of torque?

[W5CI]

Anyone who pays #78K for a pickup truck has TOO Much Money, I paid less than Half of that for my 2015
RAM Diesel Dually New and it is Quiet

[17 Oaks]

Originally Posted by jrk341

Most people do not realize that a gasser produces more torque than a diesel.


This statement is simply not true. What gas engine out there makes 900+ ft lb's of torque?

My 17 F 350 puts down 925 lbs box stock and I get that for about $8k. That is not available at all in a gasser. But if you want serious hp/torque from gasser the tariff will set you back around $20k ++ large for 650/650 hp/torque from the Chev stable.

[CaptnJohn]

Saying a gasser doesn't scream is not true. It does not hurt them but pulling a load up a hill with the pedal to the floor in 2nd gear at 35 mph it does scream.
As for a gasser having more torque than a diesel, that is good for a chuckle but drive what you have.

[spock123]

If I can find a 2017 3500 dually LT Silverado at a good price I would trade. I see some LTZ at $67,000.00 and I can't afford that, well I could but I just don't want that much in a truck. I actually paid more than that for DW Mercedes in 13 but I'm not doing that again.