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Old 09-11-2014, 10:44 PM   #11
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DO THE MATH. It's very enlightening. Yes it will pull your 5vr for sure,but will it STOP in an emergency situation ? Do you feel comfortable behind the wheel... white knuckles or confidence. How about safety for you and your family and others on the road ? Just me ,but do the math.
The trailer brakes stop the trailer, the truck brakes stop the truck. Just like with any truck/5th wheel combination. The f250 and the f350 have the exact same size brakes in the single rear wheel configuration. Nothing I would worry about. Maybe you haven't noticed how many single rear wheel trucks are towing trailers recently?
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Old 09-11-2014, 10:53 PM   #12
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The trailer brakes stop the trailer, the truck brakes stop the truck. Just like with any truck/5th wheel combination. The f250 and the f350 have the exact same size brakes in the single rear wheel configuration. Nothing I would worry about. Maybe you haven't noticed how many single rear wheel trucks are towing trailers recently?
Not exactly a novice at this stuff... just my experience and opinion. I'll leave it go at that.
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Old 09-12-2014, 01:22 AM   #13
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You are one that has drank the Ford koolaid. They grossly missrepresent their stats to sell vehicles. The truck Is capable, but under the new JS08 standards, you will need a n F350 to pull what a Chevy or Dodge 2500 can
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Old 09-12-2014, 02:08 AM   #14
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By what are u basing that?....what specific data?..I only ask because ive been having Js08 discussions with a ford engineer..and would like some real world verifiable data to counter his ducking and dodging. ....

A 350 has the same exact frame/brakes/tranny/cooling/tuning as a 250.....the 450 gets a bigger rotor...and the newer 450 (which I have been told ARE rated JS08) gets several other upgrades to the engine and driveline....

Anyway, back to the OP Question, i have mine over payload right now wirh my 9876lb lacrosse tt and all our junk.....by 28 lbs.....lol...aint much there when they try and cap payload at 10k for classification reasons. ...
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Old 09-12-2014, 03:52 AM   #15
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Trailer brakes do not stop a trailer, they are 4 wheel light drum brakes that are intended for the assistance of stopping with the TV. Will it stop it during a breakaway, lol not sure it has been tested before it has hit a ditch that stopped it. They will slow the trailer down and yes eventually bring it to a stop but they will not stop a trailer in an emergency or even a reasonable distance in a non emergency situation.

To the OP, I think you have lots of truck there and have no worries about stopping anything you tow behind you. Your issue is payload. Most of your numbers look right but you are off on your numbers when adding propane and other items to the trailer. If you have 2k payload I would be adding all my gear to the trailer leaving only the wife, dog and personal items in with me as you are only adding 20% of the weight for items in the trailer to the payload of the truck through the pin weight. I would say a trailer loaded up at 8500pds would put you almost exactly at your payload capacity with a 1500pd pin weight and 500pds for your family and personal items in the truck. I am also ODC and that's where I would be looking and although I would be under the payload I would be adding airbags to help the truck handle better. May not make any difference but I would have to add them.

Can your truck handle more, most likely and for it being safe it most likely is as your truck is listed to tow a load of 16000pds. Will the largest issue you will have if you were to overload your truck be wearing out a rear end or other parts earlier then if you did not...maybe, I will not speak to the quality of fords. Just be sure not to kid yourself and think of things as only scare stories as bad things do happen to good people. Many people do things and have their own justification for it and have no problems at all feeling the more people they can get to do it makes it more acceptable.

Here is the sad part, your truck could be rated to tow a 13000pd travel trailer with the hitch weight of around 1500pds. I would much rather meet an f250 towing a 13000pd 5th wheel then a 13000pd TT and 99% of the people would prefer to drive the 5th wheel setup over the TT setup. I also think it would be safer but the TT option would be more "legal". Just my opinion.
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Old 09-12-2014, 06:13 AM   #16
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Ford has always been very liberal with their ratings of their trucks. The F250/350 tow ratings are based on their own, not so stringent, requirements. This is why they had to go the the F450 to try and compete with Ram in the towing department, or completely redesigned the F250/350 frame, suspension, and brakes. This would however validate what various testers, and competitors have been saying all along. My personal experience owning both an 06, and an 11, F 350 reiterates the test data.
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OP (Borrell),
As a medical scientist of some sort I must assume you understand liability.
That's what the basis of this topic is mostly about. The rest is all about safety.
As for the OCD part, welcome to the club. So after I got past the fact that you posted in the Cedar Creek section and your subject is about your TV... I offer the following:
Find your towing needs addressed at:
fleet.ford.com
Use a scale to obtain your actual axle, pin and if available, individual wheel weights.
Don't forget your tire capacities.
Armed with facts, determine the risk and liability YOU are willing to accept.
Let you conscience and your wallet be your guide.

I had an F250 CC SB PSD. When I bough my Creek I found that I needed to replace my rear tires & wheels as the 17" E rated tires were not suitable.
So I upgraded to an F350 DRW SC LB PSD with the factory 5th wheel tow package and hitch. That solved all of my weight issues and added copious quantities of stability, towing ability and economy (3.55:1 will not get you there when towing 10k+.)
So good luck with your non Cedar Creek and be safe.
(OK, I didn't get past it... LOL)
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Old 09-28-2014, 02:26 PM   #18
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The specs for all 3 3/4 ton trucks (Ford, Chevy and Ram) is the same, 10,000 lbs GVWR. So the 2 parameters are way apart and mutually exclusive. Using the GCWR of 23,500, I can tow around 14,500. Using the GVWR, I can tow 6500. They don't make fifth wheels that small. How the manufacturers can come up with these numbers is beyond me. Any truck executives or engineers out there?
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Old 10-03-2014, 10:05 AM   #19
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Fifth Wheel Weight Calculator

DO THE MATH. It's very enlightening. Yes it will pull your 5vr for sure,but will it STOP in an emergency situation ? Do you feel comfortable behind the wheel... white knuckles or confidence. How about safety for you and your family and others on the road ? Just me ,but do the math.
I have a math degree (however, attained long ago when there were only 19 numbers in the known universe), and I have tried this calculation to no avail.

I have a bumper pull trailer, and am anticipating upgrading to a 5er next year. I bought a 2015 Duramax 2500 Chevy. I can do math all day long, but the math that matters says "If that truck won't pull what they're selling out there today, someone is nuts". It better do it.

Besides, when I enter these numbers best I can, I get a max trailer weight of 5800 lbs. Now that's just silly.
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Old 10-03-2014, 12:58 PM   #20
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When I was first looking to buy a 5th wheeler and a new TV, I used that calculator and I could not believe the way the numbers came out. I eventually got a new Chevy dually diesel and my 37 foot Cedar Creek. I have since had the truck/trailer combo (fully loaded for the road) weighed, both wheel by wheel,axle by axle, and combined. All the numbers are well within the truck and trailer limits.

I don't know why the calculator gave me bad numbers. Maybe I didn't understand the terminology or the instructions. So, I don't trust it. Just my experience.
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