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Old 10-03-2014, 01:34 PM   #21
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Oh, I don't doubt it's my fault. But I can't make it make sense TO ME.

I simply figure I now have the truck with enough goose to pull whatever they make, even though I don't want those monster 5er's. Looking at Silverado 29IK, but it's a year away. If my 2500 Diesel won't pull that, I'm gonna......um...........I dunno what I'm gonna do.
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Old 10-03-2014, 02:03 PM   #22
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Oh, I don't doubt it's my fault. But I can't make it make sense TO ME.

I simply figure I now have the truck with enough goose to pull whatever they make, even though I don't want those monster 5er's. Looking at Silverado 29IK, but it's a year away. If my 2500 Diesel won't pull that, I'm gonna......um...........I dunno what I'm gonna do.
Your 2500 diesel will more then pull that. I have the 29re and a 2500 diesel. I don't even know that trailer is back there.
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Old 10-03-2014, 06:34 PM   #23
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The trailer brakes stop the trailer, the truck brakes stop the truck. Just like with any truck/5th wheel combination. The f250 and the f350 have the exact same size brakes in the single rear wheel configuration. Nothing I would worry about. Maybe you haven't noticed how many single rear wheel trucks are towing trailers recently?
I respectfully disagree. My 05 F350 SRW was the highest GVW available without DRW. The local brake shop replaced the rear rotors and had F250 rotors in stock. The 250 rotors and the lighter GVW F350 SRW's would not fit. They finally tried DRW rotors (bigger) to get the correct replacements.

So it is incorrect to assume that all 250's and 350's have the same suspension and brakes.
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Old 10-03-2014, 08:34 PM   #24
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I asked a similar question. Do what you feel is the right answer for YOU. I will be towing a big fifth wheel with my 3/4 ton Powerstroke diesel. If after towing it and circumstances change my opinion, then I'll decide on a new TV. IMO though, I think your 6.7PSD can do the job


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Old 10-03-2014, 08:35 PM   #25
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I know this has been discussed but my head is spinning. We are moving up to our first 5th wheel from our 1st TT. I'm a physician with OCD tendencies like everyone else but this makes no sense and I can't seem to find a consensus. ... That leaves 2500 for the pin weight which is a 12,500 loaded trailer. I think this is the route I'm going. I know most people probably go by the GCWR and max trailer weight. Safer ones may use the axle method. The GVWR seems completely useless. These people must stay in hotels. Comments?
You have a perfect grasp on this:

1) The GVWR is defined by the truck manufacturer.

2) The GVWR - actual weight of the truck = actual usable payload

3) Many times trucks are overloaded on GVWR. When this is the case, a lot of people use different formulas, feelings, and personal choices as to why this is acceptable to them.

4) There is nothing documented by the truck manufacturers for how GVWR is calculated. There is a lot of conjecture about what is different between a 3/4-ton and 1-ton trucks. Additionally, I laugh when you read one person say "oh, I tow whatever I want with this truck" and another posts "oh truck makers way over exaggerate their abilities".

5) Lots of liability concerns are raised by one side and summarily dismissed by the other.

You have to choose what is acceptable to you and make an educated choice as to what works best for you. You'll always find someone that agrees and someone that disagrees- it doesn't make it right or wrong.

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Old 10-08-2014, 09:53 PM   #26
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Traded last week for GMC 2500HD, SLT, Crew Cab, 4WD, 6.5 ft bed, Duramax/Allison....manual shows 15800 max fifth wheel trailer weight....traded Monday for a 2014 Silverback 33RL with dry weight of 10800 with delivery for next Monday, Oct 13....ready to put it on the road....it better work....first time out of the gate with a fifth wheel....been towing a 8000 lb bumper pull.....my heads spinning from reading this thread....lol.
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Traded last week for GMC 2500HD, SLT, Crew Cab, 4WD, 6.5 ft bed, Duramax/Allison....manual shows 15800 max fifth wheel trailer weight....traded Monday for a 2014 Silverback 33RL with dry weight of 10800 with delivery for next Monday, Oct 13....ready to put it on the road....it better work....first time out of the gate with a fifth wheel....been towing a 8000 lb bumper pull.....my heads spinning from reading this thread....lol.
You'll love it!! I found our Fifth wheel tows much nicer and no sway, ever. I went from a little 30' TT weighing 7k lbs to a 40'long, 13'-6" fiver weighing over 13K lbs and love it! I get about the same milage, but much less stress. Happy Campin!!
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:29 PM   #28
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You'll love it!! I found our Fifth wheel tows much nicer and no sway, ever. I went from a little 30' TT weighing 7k lbs to a 40'long, 13'-6" fiver weighing over 13K lbs and love it! I get about the same milage, but much less stress. Happy Campin!!

According to the Mfgr numbers, my Ram 3500 6.7L Diesel has a GCWR of 21,000 #.

TV Curb Wt of 7,400#

Which leaves 13,600# for everything else.

No way I can legally tow a 13,000# whatever.

How do you do it with a 3/4 ton?

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Guess I'm just that good.... I know I'm over a bit on gcwr, but under rear axle and tire ratings. Gasser too! Pulls great, I can stay above 60 up hills and never go much above 4K rpm. The other big plus is all the nice people I meet at every gas station I stop at, which is most everyone I see.
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Old 10-09-2014, 12:22 AM   #30
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Truck is big enough

No math hoops to jump through for me. Tractor pulls our 5er, 16k and could pull another 16k without much stress. 1400 RPM, 63 MPH, 12th gear. People have said "ya got a big enough truck there"? "Yes I do, do you"? Point is I've seen plenty of folks that don't have enough power in their TV, whether it be bumper pull or fifth wheel, and many do not have the correct suspension which IMO is just as bad as not enough power.


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