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Old 01-22-2011, 11:36 PM   #1
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Question Which truck do I need for towing?

I am new to the 5th wheel world so this has been a learning experience for me. I was wondering in your opinion which truck would be best for towing the cedar creek 36rd5s???? The unloaded vehicle weight is 12,400 and the gvwr is 15,500. The trailer is 39ft. I currently have a 1500HD which has a tow rating of 10,300 and it has 3,000 pound suspension springs 6.0 engine and 4.10 gear ratio. I was looking for a ford 350 or a chevy 3500 and I noticed that the f350 only have a tow rating of 9,000 pounds. I need some ideas on which trucks to look for that have a high tow rating. Thanks for all your help
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Old 01-23-2011, 12:22 AM   #2
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I'm a personal fan of the Dodge Cummins 2500 or 3500 and I believe you can get either of them in a dually format if needed. My personal recommendation for anyone considering this model would be to look into the '04.5-'07, not including the '07.5's. The 325hp/610tq 5.9L engine was introduced in those years, lower hp/tq in the older models (same engine and Liter) and more hp/tq in the newer 6.7L, however the newer ones (2007.5 and above) introduced the new EGR exhaust setup and I read that many are having problems with fuel mileage and turbo chargers. Although a 6-speed automatic would have it's benefits. Here's a couple of links for references if you're curious:

Dodge Ram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dodge Cummins Diesel Forum

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Old 01-23-2011, 12:23 AM   #3
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That can't be the correct figure for the F350. The F150 is rated higher than that.
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Old 01-23-2011, 07:52 AM   #4
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the numbers seem low to me also for the 350. i have a 2002 and if i remember correctly, my tow weight (capacity) is 12000 or a little more. the truck will run abt 6500 lbs and that was subtracted from the CGVW rating to get the 12000. in 2002, the chevorlet duely had a CGVW rating which was higher than the ford by something like 2000 lbs.
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I have a Ford '09 towing guide and the F-350 is rated at 9,000 if it is a crew cab, SRW, 4x2, 5.4 V-8. I would think with a 5'er that size you would need the diesel which with the same options is rated at 14,900. Go with DRW, 4x2 and the tow rating is 15,100.
The newer ones may be rated higher.
With the weights you posted you may want to look at an F-450. Ratings for a crew cab, DRW, 4x2, diesel is 17,000.
Again this is an '09 towing guide and the newer ones may be rated higher.
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You can get up to 24,000 lb for 5th wheel towing with the 2011 F450; https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/...%20Pickups.pdf
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I suggest you go with a 1 ton dually Diesel for that size trailer. If new a Ford 2011 F-350 4X2 Crew Cab 5er towing rate is 15,700 w/3.73 Axle. Payload is 4,901lbs and GVWR is 12,600. If a Chevy or GMC is similar for 2011 models. If new or looking at older models the Internet has towing info for any make/model. DO NOT USE DRY PIN WEIGHT, and DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING ANY SALESMAN TELLS YOU! Do your own reaserch to mate the TV with the trailer. By the way as you see by my sig, I have a 2007 6.7L Dodge and she is great. Yes early on there were problems with turbos and the new emmisions stuff, but this Dodge engine has been in service now for 4.5 years and still going strong. As with any used vehicle, just make sure you know the history and don't buy a lemon. Good Luck.
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You NEED a diesel and DWR to pull that load. If you are buying new I would pick the the 2011 Ford or the 2011 GM Duramax and if you are buying used I would pick the Duramax.

As others have said the F450 would be even a better option.
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I agree with above. I would not tow that big thing with anything less than a F-350/3500. But I would personally go with a F-450. That's what it was made for. Do yourself a favor and do it right the first time. Don't skimp on the motor...get the diesel. You will not regret it.
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Old 01-23-2011, 11:26 AM   #10
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12400/15500.........

That's 1 ton + territory.

Don't bother looking at anything less if you plan to tow it anywhere on the highway.
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I have your truck!

We are downsizing from a Silberback 36WQB and also downsizing our puller. I have a 2009 Dodge 3500 Laramie 4x4 DRW with less than 18,000 miles for sale if interested? It pulls great! Just let me know.
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Well I am going to buy a used truck probably around 03-05 and it will definitely have the diesel enging(7.3 powerstroke or 6.6 Duramax) and I want a dually. The problem I ran into is the tow rating isn't high for the older fords. So I was just trying to get some ideas on what would be best for pulling this big 5th wheel of mine. Thanks everyone for your opinions
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something important abt a diesel, you need to know abt the cooling system maintance. in 2002 ford put a 100000 mile gold antifreeze in theirs. want to make sure that is still what is there. if it has been changed, u need to know if the proper antifreeze was put in and when.
ford had some premature engine failures on the 7.3 and blamed it on poor radiator maintance. i was luck enough to own one of them built in '92. antifreeze was changed but the addative was not installed (DCA-4 or FW?). i developed a pin hole in the cullender wall at 123K. got notice 2 mos after replacing engine. ford said that they had experienced a small number of engine failures due to poor radiator maintaince. they recommended a certain anti freeze + the additive. my 2002 has the gold antifreeze in it and it is supposed to have the additive in it. the additive is supposed to eliminate cavatation in the cooling system.
the other maintaince records would be good to know also.

my understanding is that this problem is not unique to ford.
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i have a simiar sized trailer and have a 08 F350 CC/LB/SRW Diesel. Truck tows it fine but if I didn't have the truck first I would probably buy a duelly for the stability. The GVWR for my truck is 11500 with a base weight around 7k, so plenty of truck but the stability i the big bonus.
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What do yall think about the 2003 ford 550 dually with a 6.0 diesel engine? Just curious if yall have heard anything about this year model. I would think with it being a 550 it would be best to have a 7.3 engine, not sure though. Thanks for the suggestions.
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i personally wouldn't by an 03 or 04 6.0, they fixed some issues in 05 that make those better
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Agree with Johnny9r. By '05 they had the worst of the problems worked out with the 6.0L. Just be careful if the engine was chipped or if you plan on chipping it. That seems to be where most of the problems come in with the 6.0L.
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Make sure you research the 6.0 Ford diesels very well before you purchase.

The first few years of production are reported to be very good. Then, Ford started piling on the emmissions controls which impacted reliability.

or so I'm told.....
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You NEED a diesel and DWR to pull that load. If you are buying new I would pick the the 2011 Ford or the 2011 GM Duramax and if you are buying used I would pick the Duramax.

As others have said the F450 would be even a better option.
you do not NEED a DRW to tow that 5th wheel as I have been towing the same size and weight 36RE for almost a year with my f250 6.4 and have not experienced any problems, highways, country roads, fast stops not a problem. If you can get a DRW in you r price range great, but if you can't the 250 6.4 or the new 2011 f250 will do just fine.
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DODGE RAM, 3500, 6.7 diesel, drw, I have this truck and the same size Cedar Creek. The truck is awesome. Pulls like a bull. Never know that I am towing 15,000#.
10 miles/ gal. towing.. and 14-16 miles/gal combined city/highway. GOOD LUCK!
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