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Old 03-14-2013, 08:21 PM   #51
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Coachmen has been using azdel panels since 2008 and Forestriver since 2010. One of the best things is there is no outgassing (formaldehide). It has a 2R insulation advantage over the old style foam fiberglass laminate and it is stronger.
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:21 PM   #52
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Coachmen has been using azdel panels since 2008 and Forestriver since 2010. One of the best things is there is no outgassing (formaldehide). It has a 2R insulation advantage over the old style foam fiberglass laminate and it is stronger.
Interesting you bring up outgassing; I had forgotten all about that. We had horrible smells in the first season. Over time it stopped. It could only have been outgassing. Coachmen confirmed and also advised it would go away given some time.

This will be our third season starting as soon as the weather breaks. If any of the odor remains I can't smell it and I have a pretty good nose.

They said it was from the carpet, wood, and the glue used on both.

I suppose we are the only couple that had an outgassing problem with our Encounter?

If that's the case I wonder if we have fiberglass walls.

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Well I do have the Azdel sidewalls.

I spoke to Coachmen. When FR took over all class A's were constructed with Azdel.

He confirmed again the outgassing is normal and attributable to the interior wood work, carpet and glue as I mentioned. I may have had more (odor) than others on the board here because I don’t have the hardwood cabinets.

Letting the coach sit out in the sun during hot weather brings out the odor and we did, the first year, store it outside where it sat without ventilation, for weeks. Coincidently that was when the worst of it happened. Coming up on our third season, the coach is fine now. I do store it indoors now.

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With the chalet package we have only a small amount of carpeting due to the tile and yes, with the solid wood instead hardwood laminate, leads to practically no outgassing. It is the glue in the hardwood surfaced ply, carpet, and for those that do not have the azdel panels..the luan in their walls that is the source of outgassing. It is the formaldihyde in the glues that cause it. It does leach out and disappear over time.
OK in the really stupid engineering realm...the couch reading lights in the passenger side slide, only can be used when the overhead lights are on. I rewired it in 45 minutes (took pictures). Now the overhead lights and reading lights are independent. I will put together a post with pictures, instructions and schematic soon.

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OK in the really stupid engineering realm...the couch reading lights in the passenger side slide, only can be used when the overhead lights are on. I rewired it in 45 minutes (took pictures). Now the overhead lights and reading lights are independent. I will put together a post with pictures, instructions and schematic soon.

Interesting - my couch is on the other side (driver side) and the lights above it are independent. My stupid engineering award has to do with the bathroom (I have a split bath). There was no light switch where the toilet is. You'd have to reach up to the actual light, itself, to turn it on. So, we actually had to have a switch installed. I still can't believe we had to do that!. I also keep reminding myself how minor everything was that we even had to do and then I feel better!

Denis - are you planning to switch those lights above the couch to LED as well? I'm so anxious to do this (and replace with soft white LEDs everywhere possible). I really don't like the fluorescent lights in the bedroom either, now that I think of it...
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With the chalet package we have only a small amount of carpeting due to the tile and yes, with the solid wood instead hardwood laminate, leads to practically no outgassing. It is the glue in the hardwood surfaced ply, carpet, and for those that do not have the azdel panels..the luan in their walls that is the source of outgassing. It is the formaldihyde in the glues that cause it. It does leach out and disappear over time.
OK in the really stupid engineering realm...the couch reading lights in the passenger side slide, only can be used when the overhead lights are on. I rewired it in 45 minutes (took pictures). Now the overhead lights and reading lights are independent. I will put together a post with pictures, instructions and schematic soon.

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Coachmen claims the azdel would not make a difference in outgassing; only interior materials they say, will be noticed during the process. They denied any formaldehyde was used in any product. I do have more carpet which added to the problem and I have linoleum floors which are also likely glued down. These are the primary weight savings items that make the difference in CCC I imagine.

I didn't have the reading light problem. Mine were wired independently from the factory.

On the other hand nearly every switch was wired left to right and right to left; left switch worked right side light, etc. The power visors were mismatched, so were bathroom lights, and as I've said before, forward on the power drivers seat moved the seat backward, up was down, and tilt up tilted down. Was irritating to manage while driving.

Except for the drivers seat the other mismatched switches were quite easy to fix. The switch for the drivers seat was a unique two piece clamp type of connector similar to a clamshell with wires coming in from all directions. With 8 seat directions/16 wires it was confusing but through trial and error it's working fine now.
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Coachmen claims the azdel would not make a difference in outgassing; only interior materials they say, will be noticed during the process. They denied any formaldehyde was used in any product. I do have more carpet which added to the problem and I have linoleum floors which are also likely glued down. These are the primary weight savings items that make the difference in CCC I imagine.

I didn't have the reading light problem. Mine were wired independently from the factory.

On the other hand nearly every switch was wired left to right and right to left; left switch worked right side light, etc. The power visors were mismatched, so were bathroom lights, and as I've said before, forward on the power drivers seat moved the seat backward, up was down, and tilt up tilted down. Was irritating to manage while driving.

Except for the drivers seat the other mismatched switches were quite easy to fix. The switch for the drivers seat was a unique two piece clamp type of connector similar to a clamshell with wires coming in from all directions. With 8 seat directions/16 wires it was confusing but through trial and error it's working fine now.
Well, it looks like they had a regressive change in the 2013TZ. When I called the factory, they told me that is the way it is wired. So if there are any 2013TZ oners that have the couch ligt problem, I will send them complete instructions.
Coachmen may not realize it but the bonding agent between the layers of ply contains formaldehyde as well as a lot of industrial adhesives, hence ot gassing lives.
Formaldehyde has not been used in over 30 years in carpeting but once again some of the adhesives used to glue the carpeting down. Another way to describe the edhesives is UREA Formaldehyde.
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UPDATE...Research on a couple of science sites on formaldehyde mention that there are still some carpet manufacturers out there that treat their carpeting with it. Also curtains/drapes are treated with it. One of the sites mentioned that large office buildings before occupancy use a technique called 'out baking'. They seal off a floor and raise the heat for 24 hours. Outgassing doubles for every 10 degrees the temperature rises. They come in the next day open all windows and ventelate using fans.
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Well thanks for the clarification. The heat multiplier makes sense since our problem was the most acute after the coach had sat in the hot summer sun for a couple of weeks between uses and without ventilation.

Since then I installed the Camco covers over the kitchen and bathroom vents and now leave them open all the time, (except winter or cold nights when we are using the coach).

I recommend them if you don't already have a pair installed. At $30 something each well worth the money.

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Light color is measured in degrees kelvin. The highher you go the 'whiter' the light color. Go too high and it llooks blue. That said, Warm White (softer) is around 2600-4500K and Soft White is around 5600-6500K. Here is good site for our halogen replacements. I have ordered 20 and 10 watt equivalent replacements of both tempsK and will post results.
Http://m4products.com our overhead replacement is a g4.
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