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Old 05-28-2015, 10:25 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by CSMRetired View Post
Ours is 15 months old, almost 12,000 miles
came from a 36' gasser, our Sportscoach is the coach we should have bought in the first place

Fuel mileage
Smooth ride
Ease of fueling
Living space
Cost to operate
Ease of handling

I could go on and on
Perfect. Exactly the kind of thing I was looking for.

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Old 05-29-2015, 01:49 AM   #12
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CSM Retired can you tell me what license is required for the Sportscoach in Texas? I used to have a CDL but let it expire years ago as I wasn't using it and it raised the cost of insurance and tickets.

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Old 05-29-2015, 07:25 AM   #13
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[QUOTE=rreichar;877027]I appreciate all the info. How would you guys compare fueling the DP versus gassers? For me that has been almost as big an issue as the ride. Finding a gas station that is easy access can be a problem and then I sometimes have to get out and adjust position relative to the pump because it's about 30 feet behind me. Either I get out or wait for my DW or 15 year old son to get out and give directions. Usually easier to get out. Then I often have to swipe two or three different cards as the pump stops at a preset limit. [QUOTE]

Yup, all these problems with a gas coach. Ours is 38 feet the hitch adds another 4 feet and then the jeep is 15 feet. 57 feet in all., I have found that worrisome at times when trying to get into a gas station. But I can't back up (Can inch back maybe a foot but that's it) so you have to hit the pump just right and hope the new hoses are long enough to reach your fill tube, (the old hoses that connected on the side of the pump were longer I'm sure).

Had to laugh at your credit card complaint. Nice to know I'm not the only one that thinks that's a pain. If near empty I usually have to ring in three sales to fill the tank. The seconds between finishing one sale and waiting for the screen to clear to start another sale seem like hours to me. LOL

I developed a habit of looking for a suitable place to fill up when I fall below the half tank mark. Looking for gas at half a tank has kept me out of trouble. The gauge has never been accurate, I can drive for miles before it moves off the full mark and though I have never run out of gas, I suspect at the empty mark, the tank is pretty darn dry. So at a half tank I can usually add 50 to 60 gallons of gas (in a tank that is supposed to hold only 80 gallons).

We have about 15K miles on our 2011 now and I am able to report that I have had to disconnect the Jeep only twice in that time because I got into a tight situation. I should add though that one time I tried to turn around in what I thought was a wide enough area only to find myself looking out the front window at a fence. I was able to back up very carefully just enough (couple of feet) to get a better angle and drive past the problem without disconnecting the jeep. That was early in my tenure of this coach and it hasn't happened since.

Diesels have a tighter cut and longer wheel base so not as much overhang and therefor less opposite swing. Which means of course it is easier to drive a diesel but it takes more skill to drive a long gas coach.

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Old 05-29-2015, 07:30 AM   #14
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CSM Retired can you tell me what license is required for the Sportscoach in Texas? I used to have a CDL but let it expire years ago as I wasn't using it and it raised the cost of insurance and tickets.
I have a regular passenger car license.

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Old 05-29-2015, 04:40 PM   #15
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I have been told various things, mostly from salesmen, about license requirements in Texas. It's hard to tell what to believe. I actually called the DPS and couldn't get a straight answer from them either.
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Old 05-29-2015, 04:55 PM   #16
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No special requirementsI've ever seen in Texas. CDL is for commercial or chauffeur (church bus, etc) only, not an RV. Max RV length is 45' with a total combined length (if towing) of 65'. Tow brakes required over 3,000 lbs.
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Old 06-14-2015, 11:15 PM   #17
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So my son and I finally made it to Motorhome Specialist in Alvarado, TX to check out the 2016 404RB in person. We were already in the neighborhood for an RC helicopter event. My 15 year old son is an up and coming sponsored pilot. Much of our motorhome use right now is attending helicopter events all over the country. Most of these events involve a weekend or more of dry camping. The extra drop down bunks in the 404RB would come in handy as we sometimes are part a small group and anyone who stays with us for an event will split costs. As my son gets older and my wife retires (she has 3 more years of work) the MH usage will move more toward my wife and I using it just for ourselves. Thus having bunks that are invisible when not being used will be nice.

I was really surprised by the quality of the Sportscoach for the price point. They are asking $179,995 for a 2016 with every option offered. The exterior was nice. The cargo doors are definitely thinner and lighter than those on our Tiffin but fit and finish was very good and functionally they should be fine. Lots of pass through storage with one large sliding tray. The interior was definitely nicer than I expected. We got there only a few minutes before closing time so I did not do a thorough inspection but looked at and tried everything I could. The motors for the drop down bunk are nearly silent. They appear to be able to sleep two typical adults but I didn't measure. Rated for 500 pounds. That is in addition to the foldout queen bed in the couch. The king bed is a sleep number knock off. I would prefer a queen sized bed to allow for larger nightstands but that is not a big issue. The stacked W/D is a big plus as we have a combo unit now. The 46 inch motorized TV is nice. The coach has an in motion sat dish. I don't know how well those actually work but still an upgrade over that automatic dish in our gasser.

There are a few things that I didn't like. I could do without carpet in the bedroom. The rest of the coach has very nice tile why not do the tiny floor space in the bedroom as well? Both AC units are 13,500 btus. We are in Texas so I am hoping that will be adequate for our summer heat. Neither has a heat pump. In our gasser both ACs are 15,000 and the front one has a heat pump. Between that and the electric fireplace we have never had to use the propane fired furnace. The Sportscoach only has a 20 gallon propane tank. I guess if it becomes an issue I could replace the AC units easily enough but I am guessing the thermostat for the heat pump units would have an additional wire or two. That could be a pain to run those wires to the thermostats. I wish the holding tanks were larger. It holds more fresh water than our Tiffin but the black and grey tanks are similar in size which negates the increase in fresh water capacity to some degree.

The electrical system is much better every spec'd with a 2000 watt Magnum inverter with an 8000 watt generator with auto gen start and a power management system. Our current generator is 7000 watts with no AGS. The Sportscoach has an induction cooktop which seems all the rage in higher end coaches. I don't know how they work in practice but I like the look. I wish it had a fireplace but there is no practical place to put one in this floorplan.

Power train in the 2016 Cross Country is a 340hp Cummins with 700ft lbs of torque with the Allison 2500. Some of the Texas Holiday Worlds are selling the same floorplan on a heavier chassis with the 400hp Cummins with 1250ft lbs of torque. They are technically 2015 models that were specially ordered. I would love to have one of those but they are asking about $30,000 more than MHSRV is for theirs with the lighter chassis. As much as I would love to have the heavy chassis and the big block I have to draw the line somewhere with the budget. The $180,000 from MHSRV seems like a sweet spot to me.

Later this week I will take the DW to see the coach and take a test drive. Assuming that goes well then I guess it's a matter of choosing the colors. I would appreciate any thoughts anyone has about the coach.

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