SR300 vs SR340

[doofoo]

I was rough quoted from Freightliner/Cummins service center for an "Engine Uprate" of $2000-2500.. sounded super high lol.. Anyone else get any info?

[psw757]

Originally Posted by doofoo

I was rough quoted from Freightliner/Cummins service center for an "Engine Uprate" of $2000-2500.. sounded super high lol.. Anyone else get any info?

Seems high to me. I'm pretty sure it is just a computer update either via obd port or usb. Don't think there is any mechanical upgrade with this, strictly computer program.

[doofoo]

Originally Posted by psw757

Seems high to me. I'm pretty sure it is just a computer update either via obd port or usb. Don't think there is any mechanical upgrade with this, strictly computer program.

Spoke more to the freightliner guy and he said it's all from cummins. The flash itself is something like $500, true rest of it is related to the warranty. If you just flash you have the hp/tq but no warranty, this upgrade has to go hand and hand with an upgrade to the warranty to cover the additional "wear and tear" or however they justify it.

[psw757]

Originally Posted by doofoo

Spoke more to the freightliner guy and he said it's all from cummins. The flash itself is something like $500, true rest of it is related to the warranty. If you just flash you have the hp/tq but no warranty, this upgrade has to go hand and hand with an upgrade to the warranty to cover the additional "wear and tear" or however they justify it.

I would honestly have no issue paying them their $500 or so to do the work but the warranty paperwork should be just a formality in my opinion. Same engine and components should really make this a non- issue.

There has to be a way we can get this without getting gouged.

[doofoo]

Originally Posted by psw757

I would honestly have no issue paying them their $500 or so to do the work but the warranty paperwork should be just a formality in my opinion. Same engine and components should really make this a non- issue.

There has to be a way we can get this without getting gouged.

I'm going to contact some Cummins service centers here on the east coast and see if I get the same answer.. Anyone else, please feel free to jump in if you know otherwise.

[psw757]

Might be worth reaching out to Forest River since it is more of a paperwork thing. Maybe since they upgraded the engine for newer models and a lot of owners are going to want this they can do something for us.

Just a thought....

[doofoo]

Originally Posted by psw757

Might be worth reaching out to Forest River since it is more of a paperwork thing. Maybe since they upgraded the engine for newer models and a lot of owners are going to want this they can do something for us.

Just a thought....

Yeah I will do that. It seems like such a simple thing. It's been confirmed by Cummins/Freightliner that it is indeed possible and just simply a flash. So Forest River cut 40HP/TQ from the early 2015's like I have.

[ajk123]

I guess I just lucked out that my dealer is a Freightliner/Cummins truck dealer and also a Forest River RV dealer.

[ajk123]

I don't think Forest River "cut" the horsepower/torque on the 2015s. The first Legacys were the SR300, with 300HP. They were still selling them in 2015. But also in 2015 the SR340 model came out with the 340HP engine. If you have an SR300, you likely have a 300HP engine. If a SR340, then you have the 340HP engine. It appears the model SR300 vs SR340 is an indication of the engine horsepower. So, there was no "cut" in HP, it was "increased" in 2015 when the SR340 model came out. The newer models also had heated mirrors, water tank heat pads, and LED awning lights. It appears that during the model changeover in 2015, some SR300s were getting these new accessories. So, 2015 still had some "leftover" model SR300s as the SR340s were coming out. This is all speculation based on what I was able to find out from various sources.

[doofoo]

Originally Posted by ajk123

I don't think Forest River "cut" the horsepower/torque on the 2015s. The first Legacys were the SR300, with 300HP. They were still selling them in 2015. But also in 2015 the SR340 model came out with the 340HP engine. If you have an SR300, you likely have a 300HP engine. If a SR340, then you have the 340HP engine. It appears the model SR300 vs SR340 is an indication of the engine horsepower. So, there was no "cut" in HP, it was "increased" in 2015 when the SR340 model came out. The newer models also had heated mirrors, water tank heat pads, and LED awning lights. It appears that during the model changeover in 2015, some SR300s were getting these new accessories. So, 2015 still had some "leftover" model SR300s as the SR340s were coming out. This is all speculation based on what I was able to find out from various sources.

I didn't mean they actually cut the HP. Sorry I wasn't clear.

What i meant was that it's classified as a 2015 but a SR300 - however there is no brochure for a 2015 SR300 only 2015 SR340 w/ 340HP. So we really got a 2014.5 labeled as a 2015 (Have LED Awning, heated mirrors (not sure on the water tank pads yet, but you get the idea). Still 300HP/660Tq as the 2014's were.

Honestly not a big deal. If I could get the additional power for $500 - $750, I'd do it no problem. At $2000-2500 eh.. I'll live.

The dealer did throw in a alignment with the Freightliner dealer prior to me picking it up - so I don't have to worry about the tires getting chewed up as I've read others have had the issue with (since the coach is not aligned after they put everything on the chassis).

[aeroshots]

Originally Posted by ajk123

I guess I just lucked out that my dealer is a Freightliner/Cummins truck dealer and also a Forest River RV dealer.

Yepper you did.

I could not even get my dealer to send me a little section of air conditioning drain hose. FR (Mitch) told me to go through my dealer and FR would warranty several small items I need and would send them to me. Dealer, or someone at the dealer, has not helped since early summer 2015.
Glad you have a dealer that is helpful. Maybe if I had stayed and demanded repairs prior to signing on the dotted line...

[ajk123]

Yes, my dealer has been great. He's done everything I asked for -- heat pads, rock guard, heat vent to the water bay, new doors, new locks, piano hinge on the sofa kick panel, fix water heater, align kitchen slide, re-caulk front passenger side exterior compartment, and much much more.

[psw757]

So I spoke with cummins today and basically the labor and computer flash is $500. Which is reasonable.

The total price is $1500 with the remaining $1000 dollars being paid directly to cummins warranty, paperwork processing.

I'm thinking if enough of us call Forest River regarding this we can probably get them to help out with the warranty end of it. I think that is ridiculous, $1000?

Service advisor even admitted the warranty really is no different .

[captnrick3]

Originally Posted by psw757

So I spoke with cummins today and basically the labor and computer flash is $500. Which is reasonable.

The total price is $1500 with the remaining $1000 dollars being paid directly to cummins warranty, paperwork processing.

I'm thinking if enough of us call Forest River regarding this we can probably get them to help out with the warranty end of it. I think that is ridiculous, $1000?

Service advisor even admitted the warranty really is no different .

Wow, that is ridiculous. Hook up a laptop and reflash the ECM. I am pretty happy with my 300, no matter what any of us have we always want more power. I pulled several long grades recently and 99% of the time I could not have driven much faster anyway. Think I will just call it good.

[captnrick3]

Originally Posted by psw757

Might be worth reaching out to Forest River since it is more of a paperwork thing. Maybe since they upgraded the engine for newer models and a lot of owners are going to want this they can do something for us.

Just a thought....

Good idea

[psw757]

Originally Posted by captnrick3

Wow, that is ridiculous. Hook up a laptop and reflash the ECM. I am pretty happy with my 300, no matter what any of us have we always want more power. I pulled several long grades recently and 99% of the time I could not have driven much faster anyway. Think I will just call it good.

I've been happy with the 300 as well pulling my jeep at 4600lbs.

We bought a new f-150 two months ago which weighs in at 4899 with a full tank of gas and I am planning on towing it next season.

I was thinking it would be nice to have a little more power just in case. Probably not needed as 90 percent of our travels are up and down the east coast.
If I can get this to where it costs $500 I will do it.

[Blacknchromehd]

Talked to someone I have know for quite sometime at the local Ford Dealer truck shop...she has moved up to the regional Freightliner dealer and is the warranty admin. She is going to check with the factory and Cummins about the upgrades...also checking for me to see if my 340 is the max for the transmission...

[psw757]

Originally Posted by Blacknchromehd

Talked to someone I have know for quite sometime at the local Ford Dealer truck shop...she has moved up to the regional Freightliner dealer and is the warranty admin. She is going to check with the factory and Cummins about the upgrades...also checking for me to see if my 340 is the max for the transmission...

Let us know what you come up with regarding the warranty and factory.

As for the tranny, I called Allison and the limit is 340hp and 700 torque but the engine would be capable of more if paired to a different tranny.

[psw757]

Forgot to add, the engine from 2013-2015 was capable of 385hp and 860 torque and engine year 2016 was updated to 900 torque, these numbers are with a different tranny.

It is a very capable engine.

[Blacknchromehd]

PSW...you are correct about the trans...If i want more power I need a larger Trans...but the light weight of the coach is not enough for that investment.