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Old 08-30-2012, 10:46 AM   #1
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Angry 2012 Grey Wolf - Bad Tires Not Acceptable

I have a 2012 Grey Wolf 27BHKS with the bias ply tires. First off, I have to admit that I did not realize that they were bias ply tires until just recently. I have about 1500 miles on the trailer and my tires are completely bald on both the inner and outer edge tread on all 4 tires. My experience in the tire industry along with the opinion of a reputable tire dealer tells me that the tires were either overloaded or underinflated to get this type of wear. However, the tires have always been maintained at the 50psi rating that they require to handle the load of the trailer. The GVWR of the trailer is 7750 lbs and the GAWR is 7000 lbs. With all my camping gear and supplies loaded with full tanks, I am only at 7000 lbs.

Before I get a bunch of responses telling me that the tires are junk and should be changed out anyway, the purpose of this post is to shed light on the fact that this is a known issue with FR and yet they still continue to put these tires on their trailers in order to keep the cost/price down. Nobody should be expected to have to replace tires on a brand new trailer after only 1500 miles with regular maintenance and attention to tow speeds. Bias ply or not, this is not acceptable and yet FR will not stand behind them because they cannot get their tire manufacturer to warrant them. No tire company will warrant tire wear because of the many variables that can cause it. I have had multiple other minor issues that have been resolved without issue but the tires take the cake. Now I will be out $500 to buy a new set of tires for my brand new trailer.

Has anybody else had any dealings like this? I see a lot of posts about how bad the tires are and it appears to be common for people to "have to" replace them at their cost because FR refuses to put a better product on their trailers. For $20K+, one should expect to get at least 5,000 miles on a set of tires regardless of whether they are bias ply or radials. Bias ply, if properly cared for, should easily last 5,000 miles.
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Old 08-30-2012, 10:55 AM   #2
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I'm just curious, are your tires "Trail Express" and are they covered with cracks in the sidewalls?
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:09 AM   #3
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just got back from a 2000 mile trip with my 2012 grey wolf 28bh. all four tires are worn out on the inside. tire pressure was 50 lbs and tank was empty. had this trouble on my previous camper and new better tires took care of it. taking back to dealer next week.
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:46 AM   #4
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Yes, they are the Trail Express tires.

No, there is no weather cracking on any of the tires. They simply wore out well before they should have with proper maintenance and care. FR offered to sell me the Trail Express Radials for $75 per tire but I would have to pay for shipping, mount and balance. This is no kind of solution to an ongoing problem. I can buy better tires locally for less than they offered me. Their customer service director, though courteous, had no power to make any other offers to me. He even mentioned to me that they have been trying to discontinue the bias ply tires because of the issues they continue to have but FR corporate will not do away with them simply because of the price point.
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:42 PM   #5
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I bought my trailer, a Grey Wolf 21rr new this spring. I was not thirty miles from the dealer when my first tire separated into three pieces. The dealer came out and replaced the tire for me. Two months later I was examining my tires and they all had considerable cracking on the sidewalls. These were replaced under warranty and now about two more months have passed and my replacements are all developing cracks. I am currently working with Lionshead to resolve this problem. I am not sure what they will do this time. I am wondering if I am the only one on this forum with cracking rubber on my tires.
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Old 08-31-2012, 09:19 PM   #6
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I had mine balanced before using them much and have almost 4k miles on them this year with even wear and no cracks (MFR date stamp is end of 2010). Was quite suprised myself, really. Would I buy these again? Heck no, but they have not been as bad as I expected they would be from reviews and issues people seem to have. I am by no means saying these tires are great, but just dropping my experiences with them balanced properly.
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Old 09-02-2012, 09:29 AM   #7
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When they sent me my replacements I had them balanced and installed metal valve stems and a TPMS. They still cracked at two months old. Personally I think it is a lack of consistency in their rubber compound. When they get it right the tires last and when they get it to hard they crack.
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Old 09-02-2012, 10:26 AM   #8
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Where was your Gray W built? I see you are in Wash. if built in Ind.that is more than 1500 miles,if you have used it also. Did they put new tires on it after the transporter del.it? Youroo!!
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Old 09-03-2012, 04:26 PM   #9
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I had axle and tire problems with my 2011, and they replaced all 4 tires. The dealer told me they put the cheapest tires they can find, and they do not hold up. I had them upgraded to better radial tires.
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Old 09-03-2012, 04:44 PM   #10
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My 2011 Flagstaff (bought in 2010) has at least 8000 miles on Duro (made in China) tires with no signs of problems so far, although longest trip this year was probably less than 20 miles total.
On my firswt 5th wheel (Terry) got about 35-40,000 on first set of tires (don't know what kind they were). Had one blow out towards the end. Last tires on it wore on the inside edge like the axles were taking a set.
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