2019 Isata 5 Battery Capacity

[mookieblaylock]

Originally Posted by FOURWHL

Wow. Compared to the ones I’m drooling over those seem pretty reasonable

https://www.ecodirect.com/mobile/Pro...Relion-RB300SC

Are you considering putting 2 of those Relions in your coach, or just 1? Would 4 of those battleborn batteries fit in the DX3 battery bay? Looking at the dimensions, it would be close. Also, will the Xantrex and solar controllers in the DX3 work with lithiums?

Sorry for all the questions...

[FOURWHL]

I was looking at 2 but 7 grand on batteries makes me want to puke. I’m at 440 AH with the 4d AGMs that are stock so would need to do more than 4 battleborns. I’ll have to look at the dimensions but I’m pretty sure I could squeeze 3 4d in there if I really wanted

I don’t have a solar controller planning on the outback 60 or 80a. It’ll be independent of the xantrex. The xantrex can be setup for charging lithium though

[mookieblaylock]

Originally Posted by FOURWHL

I was looking at 2 but 7 grand on batteries makes me want to puke. I’m at 440 AH with the 4d AGMs that are stock so would need to do more than 4 battleborns. I’ll have to look at the dimensions but I’m pretty sure I could squeeze 3 4d in there if I really wanted

I don’t have a solar controller planning on the outback 60 or 80a. It’ll be independent of the xantrex. The xantrex can be setup for charging lithium though

The way I understand it, the 440 AH total you have with 4d AGM’s today equates to about 220 AH useable considering you don’t want to take them below 50% charge. The lithiums, however, can be taken down to 20% or so. 3 of the battleborns would theoretically have more capacity per charging cycle than your current AGMs have - 240 AH vs 220 AH. Is that math right?

Also, did you replace your stock AGM’s? Mine are only rated at 198 AH each.

[bclemens]

Originally Posted by FOURWHL

Wow. Compared to the ones I’m drooling over those seem pretty reasonable

https://www.ecodirect.com/mobile/Pro...Relion-RB300SC

That's a 300AH battery though. I'm guessing the rest of these are group 27/31 size. More like 100AH.

[FOURWHL]

Yeah no I know I’m comparing apples and potatoes. Was more just being over dramatic

Good point on the usable ah mookie. Thing is if I go lithium it’s going to also include a soft start and ability to use the ACs, in which case it’s not a question of having enough, rather cramming absolutely as much as I can lol.

As it stands right now I’m not comfortable with the below freezing restrictions as I do enough cold weather stuff. Making a mistake on a couple of AGMs is a lot easier to swallow than on those lithiums. I think otherwise all the math says lithium is a better deal. In the end I just don’t trust myself lol

[Delco Bobby]

Originally Posted by FOURWHL

Yeah no I know I’m comparing apples and potatoes. Was more just being over dramatic

Good point on the usable ah mookie. Thing is if I go lithium it’s going to also include a soft start and ability to use the ACs, in which case it’s not a question of having enough, rather cramming absolutely as much as I can lol.

As it stands right now I’m not comfortable with the below freezing restrictions as I do enough cold weather stuff. Making a mistake on a couple of AGMs is a lot easier to swallow than on those lithiums. I think otherwise all the math says lithium is a better deal. In the end I just don’t trust myself lol

I have read and heard that the BattleBorn don't need venting so they can be inside the RV, in heated comfort. That may be worth investigating.

[FOURWHL]

Yeah I’d weighed that idea as well. Under the bed would be a great spot for them if it wouldn’t mean moving the inverter, transfer switch and who knows what else. That’s likely a bigger job that I want to tackle

Otherwise I’m gonna need some big cables to run that distance lol

[camaraderie]

Originally Posted by Tom in Ohio

Can anyone tell me the capacity of the 12 volt group 27 batteries delivered in the 2019 Isata 5? What is the brand of battery or does it vary?

Thinking about adding 2 more batteries when mine arrives so doing some advance planning.


Thanks, Tom

Group 27's will have approximately 95 amp hours each. Different mfr.s will test differently and marketing dept.s will add hours too!
The real issue will be whether they are TRUE deep cycle batts or deep cycle dual purpose. If you're planning on boondocking ...speak to the dealer about getting four TRUE deep cycles instead of the pair of dual purpose most coaches come with. Same amp hours...many hundreds more cycles to 50% with the real thing. Doesn't matter if you always plug in...only if you cycle.
If YOURS comes with the Deka AGM intimidators...you have true deep cycle AGMs and the Duracell Intimidators made by Deka/EPenn spoken of earlier are entirely compatible with them when new. Fine batts!

[bclemens]

ALL of our batteries are Deka AGM Intimidators.
http://www.eastpennmanufacturing.com...Flyer-1740.pdf

Isata 3, 4 and 5 series we run the 8A27M

On the big trucks, we run the 8A4D

[Tom in Ohio]

Originally Posted by bclemens

ALL of our batteries are Deka AGM Intimidators.
http://www.eastpennmanufacturing.com...Flyer-1740.pdf

Isata 3, 4 and 5 series we run the 8A27M

On the big trucks, we run the 8A4D

Brian,
Are the Intimidators type AGM2 or AGM1?

[bclemens]

Originally Posted by Tom in Ohio

Brian,
Are the Intimidators type AGM2 or AGM1?

man, this thread is about to go into "tire pressure" territory.

I didn't even know there was a difference...but a quick google search, revealed this.

"Battery Type (GEL, Flooded, AGM1, or AGM2) – When the battery
type selection is GEL (for Gel batteries), Flooded (for liquid lead acid
batteries), AGM1 (for Lifeline AGM batteries), or AGM2 (for East Penn/
Deka/Discover/Trojan AGM batteries), the charge voltage level for the
Absorption, Float, and EQ Charge modes are fi xed and shown in Table
3-1—depending on the battery type selected and the nominal inverter
battery voltage."

https://community.fmca.com/topic/113...gm-1-or-agm-2/

So basically it looks like lifeline just has to be difficult.

[RedSteelManUSA]

sseaner, If you did this (replaced original batteries with 2 Lithium) to your Isata, what other changes were necessary? Charge controller, etc?

[bclemens]

Originally Posted by RedSteelManUSA

If you did this to your Isata, what other changes were necessary? Charge controller, etc?

Did what? Add batteries? As long as they are the same type, nothing.

[Tom in Ohio]

Originally Posted by bclemens

man, this thread is about to go into "tire pressure" territory.

I didn't even know there was a difference...but a quick google search, revealed this.

"Battery Type (GEL, Flooded, AGM1, or AGM2) – When the battery
type selection is GEL (for Gel batteries), Flooded (for liquid lead acid
batteries), AGM1 (for Lifeline AGM batteries), or AGM2 (for East Penn/
Deka/Discover/Trojan AGM batteries), the charge voltage level for the
Absorption, Float, and EQ Charge modes are fi xed and shown in Table
3-1—depending on the battery type selected and the nominal inverter
battery voltage."

https://community.fmca.com/topic/113...gm-1-or-agm-2/

So basically it looks like lifeline just has to be difficult.

Then I will assume when my Isata 5 is delivered the Magnum Inverter/Charger will be set for AGM2.
Thanks as always Brian for your valuable input.

[RedSteelManUSA]

Thanks for the quick response Brian! I thought I was replying directly to sseaner's comment above about adding the lithium batteries. I edited my comment to make it a little more clear. I'm pretty new to the Forum, but I have an Isata 5 DS 4x4 on order as of last week!

[bclemens]

Ah, gotcha. In the 5, the inverter/charger is already LiON capable. The only thing that would really need to change is the solar controller...I'm not sure that one is set up that way. Even then, I don't think its a big deal, it just may not charge as much as it could with lithium. Most of them have built in protection...so without a lithium profile, you might just not see as efficient of charging...

But then we get into PWM versus MPPT chargers, etc.

[bclemens]

Originally Posted by Tom in Ohio

Then I will assume when my Isata 5 is delivered the Magnum Inverter/Charger will be set for AGM2.
Thanks as always Brian for your valuable input.

ehhhh...assume nothing. But yes, it should be. I can't imagine the charge profiles between AGM1 and AGM2 are all that different and very easy to change. Now that I know there is a difference, I may go check a couple. I always thought it was referring to a bank 1 and bank 2.

[caseymyers]

Originally Posted by bclemens

man, this thread is about to go into "tire pressure" territory.

I didn't even know there was a difference...but a quick google search, revealed this.

"Battery Type (GEL, Flooded, AGM1, or AGM2) – When the battery
type selection is GEL (for Gel batteries), Flooded (for liquid lead acid
batteries), AGM1 (for Lifeline AGM batteries), or AGM2 (for East Penn/
Deka/Discover/Trojan AGM batteries), the charge voltage level for the
Absorption, Float, and EQ Charge modes are fi xed and shown in Table
3-1—depending on the battery type selected and the nominal inverter
battery voltage."

https://community.fmca.com/topic/113...gm-1-or-agm-2/

So basically it looks like lifeline just has to be difficult.

BC this is scary, first time I've one upped you the 'expert'. I read through probably the most difficult reading manual we have, the one on the Magnum setup and discovered the AGM1/AGM2 thing when I first set up my inverter/charger...whatever machine. Took several readings before it started to make sense, I'll say that.

[sseaner]

Originally Posted by RedSteelManUSA

sseaner, If you did this (replaced original batteries with 2 Lithium) to your Isata, what other changes were necessary? Charge controller, etc?

I have the Xantrex Inverter. Just a programming change (battleborn provided the info) and no changes on the solar.