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Old 10-03-2016, 09:30 PM   #101
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Brian your responses from the company are great and informative.

On the Isata 5 I saw both models at Mesa Autoplex? in Mesa Arizona last week. Also you and I had emailed prior about dealer in Denver area and the Lazy Days dealer in Longmont also has them on hand.

Question: Third floor plan update would be great. I would be looking for the entertainment center up front, washer dryer option?, arm rests on the captains chairs and final question/concern is the gray dash and door panels not matching the earth tone seats, flooring etc... will you be able to get say a tan/brown chassis cab colors?

4x4 option - has one been built and which floor plan and what did that do to the final CCC number...assume the 4x4 equipment reduces CCC. maybe a photo of the yellow sticker showing all final weights?

On 4x4 option, do you know what that does for ground clearance? The rear wheel drive one's I saw in Phoenix seemed pretty low for the dry camping/ATV campgrounds we go to now in our Class A F53 Gas. Thinking 4x4 may prompt increase in height.. If so, is the rear then lifted with blocks to match the front or airbags?

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Old 10-04-2016, 09:23 AM   #102
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Right now, our plans for a 3rd floor plan would be a 30' model to try and get a high CCC for those that need it.

Problem is, most people want tons of CCC, but then don't want to give up any options...and there has to be some compromise there.

The 4x4 was leaving about 1000 lbs of CCC. We're continuing to look at weight savings so I can see the CCC up in the 1500's.

As for cab...no chance. Too hard to juggle the cab colors with the interior colors. We have to commit to chassis 6 months in advance and we run a light (sand) which goes fine with the gray. Pebble (which also goes fine with the gray) and Espresso (which is the only true earth tone).

Ground clearance does not change on the 4x4 unless you want to add some air bags. We currently do not offer any suspension upgrade since it seems to drive great currently.
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Old 10-04-2016, 12:29 PM   #103
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1000lbs ccc

Before passengers, and any gear?


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Old 10-04-2016, 01:25 PM   #104
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Roughly, that pretty much fully loaded with all options. 4x4 adds several hundred lbs in weight. Again, yet another reason that we have not pursued a quad cab...which is several hundred lbs heavier yet.
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So, that's me, wife, kids, and dog.

Sorry guys, can't take any food..


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Old 10-04-2016, 03:38 PM   #106
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lol...pretty much sums up my life this past 15 years.

Customer "I need this, this, this, this, this, washer dryer, 4x4 this and this"
Mfg: I'd love to do all of that, but we have to watch CCC"
Customer: no one cares about CCC, these are like a gazillion ton weighted chassis
Mfg: Ok, here is what you wanted us to build
Customer: "well, I'd buy it...but there is no CCC left.
Mfg: we delete 20 things to save weight.
Customer: Why did you take out all the good stuff...I wanted this, this, this and this.

sigh.
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lol...pretty much sums up my life this past 15 years.

Customer "I need this, this, this, this, this, washer dryer, 4x4 this and this"
Mfg: I'd love to do all of that, but we have to watch CCC"
Customer: no one cares about CCC, these are like a gazillion ton weighted chassis
Mfg: Ok, here is what you wanted us to build
Customer: "well, I'd buy it...but there is no CCC left.
Mfg: we delete 20 things to save weight.
Customer: Why did you take out all the good stuff...I wanted this, this, this and this.

sigh.

Yup.

What's the problem?

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Old 10-04-2016, 04:44 PM   #108
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My big picture rambling thoughts on this would be to focus on towing a truck, like a ram 3500 short bed single rear axle ram truck for storage and as a daily driver. The ride ability is great, I could get a crew cab for my Boxer, and it would allow me to substantially increase my storage capacity.

More experienced users than me have said that a lot of time they carried much more stuff than then really needed when they turned to downsizing their units. I know my tools could stay in the truck as well as a lot of stuff that really is not needed on a daily basis. It would also allow me to take along a collapsible water bag for boon docking, etc.

Alternatively, I might be willing to tow a small storage trailer and let the wife drive whatever car she wanted to the destination and as a scout car. Since my wife tends to get car sick when I drive and she is somewhat shy at this point, of driving a Class A, Truck with 5th, or Super C, creative solutions are in order, as long as they are workable. Hopefully she will adjust with some professional lessons.

If I was focused on full-timing, I doubt that a creative solution would work for us. Also there are just 2 of us plus a Boxer. We are planning a maximum of three months on the road at any one time.

The easy out is to go with a Force, of course. And yes I'm curious about the 30 footer as that might do for a couple.
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As to recommendations, first start with what is the target market you are trying to reach? My guess is that the downsizing couples market should be on your list...that's me, for example.

Next is the viable storage options that are out there. I'm reluctant to make the unit do it all. Comparably, the class B's really seem best for short trips and couples with or without small pets. What are the storage towable truck/suv/car/jeep options since more than likely buyers will tow something behind them.

A 30 footer offers a real alternative to something like the Tiffin Breeze 32 footer and something like a class B.
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Target audience?
Might be my family.
Wife and I, with two kids under 4.
. Finding camping with our 42' fifth, somewhat challenging.
Finding spots that fit.

Wants.
Bunks
Diesel
Front engine

So that's either a force ( at 42')
Or the Isata 5.

Although... it might be near impossible to purchase one, because I live in Canada.


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