Real world pin

[ependydad]

IMO, you're right in line:

http://towingplanner.com/Estimators/...5&lw=12965&a=3

[Kenny kustom]

Truck was the same.
Full tank. Bed was empty, except the hitch.
Trailer had stock battery, 15 lbs maybe. I get that I wasn't completely " dry" but close.


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

[Kenny kustom]

Originally Posted by ependydad

IMO, you're right in line:

http://towingplanner.com/Estimators/...5&lw=12965&a=3

Why is 600lbs over printed
Dry... Right in line?


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

[B and B]

Originally Posted by Kenny kustom

Got the rig weighed in today.

From previous weigh,

2015 ram 3500 ccsb CUMMINS 4wd.

Myself and a 3 yo and Hensley bd3 hitch.

8840lbs.
11,700 gvwr.

Trailer hooked up, almost bare empty.

11320 on the truck.
So, very close to gross.
Combined was 21k.

So, the pin is almost 2500lbs.
Brochure stated 1950 or so.

I have added front ac and there were a couple things in the basement.

The search is on!
Either a dually or trade the camper on something smaller.
I'm staying under gross.


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

I thought you just bought this truck and traded a gasser Ford? Was the Ford over CCC as well Kenny?

[B and B]

I think a look at overall situation here...

You have a heavy trailer OK

You have a great TV equipped properly OK

I say just use it and don't worry about it. Not a big deal.

[ependydad]

Originally Posted by Kenny kustom

Truck was the same.
Full tank. Bed was empty, except the hitch.
Trailer had stock battery, 15 lbs maybe. I get that I wasn't completely " dry" but close.

All of the options that you add to the camper increase from the advertised dry weight. So, like Turbs mentioned- if you add a second A/C, or solid surface counter tops, flip-up counter extension, upgraded fridge, upgraded mattress, etc., etc. They all increase the weight.

Your trailer's battery was only 15 pounds? Even the crappy one I got from my dealer weighed more than that. For instance, Interstate's lightest battery is 46 lbs. per this page:

https://www.interstatebatteries.com/...o/marine_f.asp

Originally Posted by Kenny kustom

Why is 600lbs over printed
Dry... Right in line?

Because, as far as I can read what you've said- you're didn't weigh a "dry" camper. At a minimum, in post 3 you said:

Originally Posted by Kenny kustom

I have added front ac and there were a couple things in the basement.

AND, in post #14 you have admitted that 600 lbs. is wrong because you didn't have your wife in the truck with you.

As for the "dry" camper... Did you have propane? Water? Clothes? Bedding? Toiletries? Kitchen utensils? Grill tools? TVs? Other electronics (DVD/game system/etc)? Food? Mattress topper? The list goes on and on.

Never mind that above, you're likely understating the weight of the stock battery.

So yes- your weights are likely right in line.

[Kenny kustom]

So then, how do you buy a tv and trailer?

Ignore published numbers and tell the dealer, I gotta go install my hitch and weigh the sucker?


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

[Kenny kustom]

No food, no water, no bedding.
Everything was removed for the winter.
Propane was whatever was left after last year. I would say close to full.
Rv fridge, whatever television was in it from the factory.


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

[Kenny kustom]

It's not a matter of being close...
It will be over. By quite a bit.
I have 250lbs of batteries sitting in the garage yet to be put in.
Add all the crap that goes along with camping... What about fresh water? I guess it's all a moot point now.....
Three options.

Trade camper
Trade truck
Live with it.


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

[ependydad]

Originally Posted by Kenny kustom

So then, how do you buy a tv and trailer?

Ignore published numbers and tell the dealer, I gotta go install my hitch and weigh the sucker?

Not quite- but the truth is dry weights are for suckers and are a fallacy, at best. No factory sends out a dry camper once the buyer adds options and the owner gets it.

The question that hasn't been asked- what does your yellow sticker say the dry weight of your unit is?



That said, I have found that you can fairly accurately determine expected wet pin weights by extrapolating from the dry weight percentage, adding a minor increase in percentage, and best guessing your real world weight (barring that, go for trailer's GVWR for a margin of error).

The link that I shared earlier/a tool that I made, usually gets folks pretty close to what real world weights end up being:
Estimating Tongue/Pin Weight from Dry Weights - Towing Planner


As for the truck, just open the door and look at the doorjamb for the real payload.


And finally- IMO, this isn't FR or Ram costing you 20k. It sounds like you came into this without looking at a real world picture. You are costing you 20k.

[SKnight]

Live with it.

How over will you be? Remember, your extra batteries won't be in the truck bed, they'll be several feet behind the bed. My true pin weight (no water, clothes, food) is 2,580 which incidentally FR said 2,302, and that's with four batteries, all the hoses, cables, everything I need to camp.

Hitched= Truck is 9,700 and the trailer is 9,500, total 19,200
Unhitched= Truck is 7,120, landing gear has 3,680, trailer axles have 8400, trailer is 12,080, pin weight is 2,580.

I'm 800 pounds away from my gross combined weight, but it drives well. Trust me, I tested it last year coming back from Bristol when this nimrod realized they nearly missed their exit. Between killing the brakes, swerving around her like I was in a slalom course and getting it back straight even being close to my gross it was rock solid.

It's obviously your call, but if all is well then roll with it. Set the batteries in place, plus whatever else, and go reweigh it. I bet you'll find your pin doesn't change as much as you think it will. Look at my landing gear weight vs pin weight. 1,100 pounds difference over a roughly six foot span.

[clr]

I got my setup weighed at the frog rally by the RVSEF folks last year. As I recall them saying 56% of the 5th wheels that they weigh are over capacity in at least one area. I have a 40' Sanibel model 3601. The brochure numbers are ship weight 12,640#, CC 2,801 and pin weight 2,335. When I weighted like I was camping with everything and the wife and cat included my numbers were Truck weight 9,125 w/o camper 12,750 with camper for a pin weight of 3625#. The 5th wheel weighed 15,125# so 375# shy of 5th wheel GVWR. I was within limits for capacity across the board but shy of GCWR by only 250#. In my opinion it is best to not go over any of the capacity ratings. But going over the GVWR of a 5th wheel or over the payload capacity of the truck can be very bad. I would not be to concerned going over the GCWR by a little bit. But this is the engineer in me speaking here, numbers are there for a reason.

[lbrjet]

I wouldn't do anything until you get it loaded up, take it back the scales and see where you are at. Until then relax. More than likely you will be fine.


2010 F250 5.4L 3.73
2011 Flagstaff 831FKBSS
Equal-i-zer 4pt 12K

[Kenny kustom]

On a side note....

I did notice, the nose a quite a bit higher than it was in the Ford....

The ram must be higher.


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

[jrfx4]

My vote is not worry about it. I pull my 2015 36QBOK with a 2011 F250 SRW, no problems and hardly squats the truck.

[ependydad]

Originally Posted by jrfx4

My vote is not worry about it. I pull my 2015 36QBOK with a 2011 F250 SRW, no problems and hardly squats the truck.

I believe parts of Canada has rules against being over GVWR. It's different than here in the US where no such laws exist for non-commercial towing (as far as I'm aware).

[Kenny kustom]

Originally Posted by jrfx4

My vote is not worry about it. I pull my 2015 36QBOK with a 2011 F250 SRW, no problems and hardly squats the truck.

How far over gross are you running?


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

[CWSWine]

We loaded our new 5er with all the stuff that stays in the 5er and brought to the CAT scales and had 3100 lbs pin. Now it's loaded for a two week trip and the pin is 2890. Guess having the bedroom and bath behind the wheels and the pantry, big fridge, and island over the wheels helps. Now I can encourage my wife to bring more shoes. There is very little storage forward of the axles in the front living floor design.