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Old 04-20-2016, 08:16 AM   #21
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IMO, you're right in line:

http://towingplanner.com/Estimators/...5&lw=12965&a=3
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Old 04-20-2016, 08:19 AM   #22
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Truck was the same.
Full tank. Bed was empty, except the hitch.
Trailer had stock battery, 15 lbs maybe. I get that I wasn't completely " dry" but close.


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Old 04-20-2016, 08:20 AM   #23
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Why is 600lbs over printed
Dry... Right in line?


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Old 04-20-2016, 08:29 AM   #24
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Got the rig weighed in today.

From previous weigh,

2015 ram 3500 ccsb CUMMINS 4wd.

Myself and a 3 yo and Hensley bd3 hitch.

8840lbs.
11,700 gvwr.

Trailer hooked up, almost bare empty.

11320 on the truck.
So, very close to gross.
Combined was 21k.

So, the pin is almost 2500lbs.
Brochure stated 1950 or so.

I have added front ac and there were a couple things in the basement.

The search is on!
Either a dually or trade the camper on something smaller.
I'm staying under gross.


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I thought you just bought this truck and traded a gasser Ford? Was the Ford over CCC as well Kenny?
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Old 04-20-2016, 08:33 AM   #25
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I think a look at overall situation here...

You have a heavy trailer OK

You have a great TV equipped properly OK

I say just use it and don't worry about it. Not a big deal.
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Old 04-20-2016, 09:18 AM   #26
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Truck was the same.
Full tank. Bed was empty, except the hitch.
Trailer had stock battery, 15 lbs maybe. I get that I wasn't completely " dry" but close.
All of the options that you add to the camper increase from the advertised dry weight. So, like Turbs mentioned- if you add a second A/C, or solid surface counter tops, flip-up counter extension, upgraded fridge, upgraded mattress, etc., etc. They all increase the weight.

Your trailer's battery was only 15 pounds? Even the crappy one I got from my dealer weighed more than that. For instance, Interstate's lightest battery is 46 lbs. per this page:

https://www.interstatebatteries.com/...o/marine_f.asp

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Why is 600lbs over printed
Dry... Right in line?
Because, as far as I can read what you've said- you're didn't weigh a "dry" camper. At a minimum, in post 3 you said:

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I have added front ac and there were a couple things in the basement.
AND, in post #14 you have admitted that 600 lbs. is wrong because you didn't have your wife in the truck with you.

As for the "dry" camper... Did you have propane? Water? Clothes? Bedding? Toiletries? Kitchen utensils? Grill tools? TVs? Other electronics (DVD/game system/etc)? Food? Mattress topper? The list goes on and on.

Never mind that above, you're likely understating the weight of the stock battery.

So yes- your weights are likely right in line.
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So then, how do you buy a tv and trailer?

Ignore published numbers and tell the dealer, I gotta go install my hitch and weigh the sucker?


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Old 04-20-2016, 09:26 AM   #28
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No food, no water, no bedding.
Everything was removed for the winter.
Propane was whatever was left after last year. I would say close to full.
Rv fridge, whatever television was in it from the factory.


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Old 04-20-2016, 09:31 AM   #29
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It's not a matter of being close...
It will be over. By quite a bit.
I have 250lbs of batteries sitting in the garage yet to be put in.
Add all the crap that goes along with camping... What about fresh water? I guess it's all a moot point now.....
Three options.

Trade camper
Trade truck
Live with it.


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Old 04-20-2016, 09:31 AM   #30
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So then, how do you buy a tv and trailer?

Ignore published numbers and tell the dealer, I gotta go install my hitch and weigh the sucker?
Not quite- but the truth is dry weights are for suckers and are a fallacy, at best. No factory sends out a dry camper once the buyer adds options and the owner gets it.

The question that hasn't been asked- what does your yellow sticker say the dry weight of your unit is?



That said, I have found that you can fairly accurately determine expected wet pin weights by extrapolating from the dry weight percentage, adding a minor increase in percentage, and best guessing your real world weight (barring that, go for trailer's GVWR for a margin of error).

The link that I shared earlier/a tool that I made, usually gets folks pretty close to what real world weights end up being:
Estimating Tongue/Pin Weight from Dry Weights - Towing Planner


As for the truck, just open the door and look at the doorjamb for the real payload.


And finally- IMO, this isn't FR or Ram costing you 20k. It sounds like you came into this without looking at a real world picture. You are costing you 20k.
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