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Old 04-09-2016, 05:34 PM   #41
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I was told in Ill the pumps dont have to be labeled biodiesel. anyone know is this is fact?
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Just a quick update that I have the attention of our state senator on this issue. Minnesota has adopted a requirement of B10 for summer months which went into effect in 2015 and will go into effect again as of May 1, 2016. A further mandate to go to B20 is in the law for 2018. I'm discussing with our senator the possibility of deferring that change with some kind of a moratorium until more research can be done on the impact on motor vehicle engines. I have also identified one other state senator who is quite interested in this issue as she herself owns an affected diesel engine. However, she tried to delay the implementation during the 2014 legislative session and was unsuccessful. Perhaps there can be more success with the B20 standard because it is such a large change and still a couple of years out. However, there are massive agribusiness interests behind this legislation, as the law helps drive the demand for corn and soybeans and therefore helps drive the price of those commodities up.


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Just a thought, can you contact MB and find out who there can give you definative data on the B20 issue with their motors. If it is fact based, they might join you with their possible increase of motor failures in mind. Just sayin'
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This reminds me....
Do I want number 1 or number 2 diesel in the summer?

Sorry. Canada only has one diesel.


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Sure - fill the tank 1/2 full with B10 and then fill it up with pure diesel to dilute the biodiesel to B5.

Sorry - couldn't resist - but truly you can't remove the biodiesel components without your own refinery. It's not hurting your power or mileage, so you don't need a fuel additive type product (and MB warns against using any of them).
BioDiesel has 7% less energy content as #2 diesel, so your fuel economy will suffer. Has a flash point around 300 degrees F which is higher than home heating oil or #2 diese fuel. That is a possible concern since the MB engine has a two part injection process for each stroke of the pistons. If the fuel doesn't do a complete burn, it may cause blow by issues. MB engineers will already know the particulars on this, as you can rest assure, it has been tested already. You just need to get the test data. That might, just might, light a fire under the politicians that own diesels in MN.
Source: What is BioDiesel
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BioDiesel has 7% less energy content as #2 diesel, so your fuel economy will suffer. Source: What is BioDiesel
To add to this it will make less power too. I use to run an at home refined B100 in my old truck. The advantage was $2 a gallon instead of $4+ back then.
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Do I want number 1 or number 2 diesel in the summer?

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Well you're half right in a sense. Canada is colder than the US generally speaking, and with that cold comes blended diesel as defined by;

Winterized Diesel Fuel is a blend of #1 and #2 diesel fuels, typically on the order of 15-20% #1 diesel by volume. Winterized fuel blends are released when the weather becomes too cold for #2.
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Well you're half right in a sense. Canada is colder than the US generally speaking, and with that cold comes blended diesel as defined by;



Winterized Diesel Fuel is a blend of #1 and #2 diesel fuels, typically on the order of 15-20% #1 diesel by volume. Winterized fuel blends are released when the weather becomes too cold for #2.

By saying we only have one diesel, I mean at the pump.
Whatever blend is used, it's blended before it gets to the fuel stations.

The only other " choice" in diesel is shell V power.



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You don't want #1. #1 is Kerosene, also labeled K-1. #2 diesel @ the standard pumps is what you want, whether it's winter blend or not. K-1 is usually a separate standalone pump, and for good reason.
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"Generally speaking", yes, maybe. But I always like to point out these facts.... If you check your atlas you'll see that the most southern part of Canada is at about the same latitude as Northern California. The most populace parts of the province of Ontario - from Windsor to east of Toronto - are at about the same latitude as Detroit, Chicago and Milwaukee. Buffalo's weather tends to be worse than Toronto's. And all that cold air we send south of the border originates in Alaska! "Just say in' "
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This is my first winter with a Powerstroke. Use remote start every day. The delay for start from button press is maybe 5 seconds for glow plugs on the coldest day, -22C. Truck is using B10 most of the time according to the pump. The only station here with B20 was Husky a western Canadian station and the local Co-Op (UPI) that serves mostly agriculture industry.
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