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Old 04-09-2016, 09:27 PM   #51
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"Generally speaking", yes, maybe. But I always like to point out these facts.... If you check your atlas you'll see that the most southern part of Canada is at about the same latitude as Northern California. The most populace parts of the province of Ontario - from Windsor to east of Toronto - are at about the same latitude as Detroit, Chicago and Milwaukee. Buffalo's weather tends to be worse than Toronto's. And all that cold air we send south of the border originates in Alaska! "Just say in' "
"Maybe" all those Ontario plates I saw last week heading north from the warm southern USA just might disagree. Just maybe.
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This reminds me....
Do I want number 1 or number 2 diesel in the summer?

Sorry. Canada only has one diesel.


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The full extent of my (non-expert!) knowledge is that #1 is thinner for winter use and has less power hence gets you worse mileage. However, one may find #1 with less bio than #2 which creates an interesting dilemma that I'm not sure how to resolve. (Mountains require power...)




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"Maybe" all those Ontario plates I saw last week heading north from the warm southern USA just might disagree. Just maybe.
No doubt it's warmer there than here! I'm sure there were lots of NY, PA, OH and other northern state plates down there, too! I'm just pointing out that the most populated areas up here are generally within an hour of the USA border and have much the same weather and temps as northern USA.

The diesel we buy is probably the same as the diesel sold in the northern USA states.
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The full extent of my (non-expert!) knowledge is that #1 is thinner for winter use and has less power hence gets you worse mileage. However, one may find #1 with less bio than #2 which creates an interesting dilemma that I'm not sure how to resolve. (Mountains require power...) Land of 10,000 Lakes
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#1 Diesel is Kerosene/Heating Oil blend based on forecast lowest temperature (more expensive) #2 diesel will gel if it gets too cold.

#2 Diesel is straight Heating Oil and is fine in summer temperatures.

Based on your latitude, gas stations fill their diesel tanks with #1 in the Fall and #2 in the Spring.

I made the mistake once of not filling my TV truck with "Winter Diesel" before I put it away for the winter. What a mess...
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I was told in Ill the pumps dont have to be labeled biodiesel. anyone know is this is fact?
That is incorrect. Just check any Murphy diesel fuel pump (Wal-Mart) and you will see B20 on the pump. This applies to BP, Shell and Mobil stations all of them are labeled B20. The pumps do not need to be labeled if they pump B5 or lower diesel fuel.
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That is incorrect. Just check any Murphy diesel fuel pump (Wal-Mart) and you will see B20 on the pump. This applies to BP, Shell and Mobil stations all of them are labeled B20. The pumps do not need to be labeled if they pump B5 or lower diesel fuel.

Correct. See posts 17, 18, 19 in this thread.


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The diesel we buy is probably the same as the diesel sold in the northern USA states.

I don't think so. The legal requirements for biofuel blends are quite different in the United States. I'll be finding out in June when I travel through Ontario. I hope to find very little biodiesel blend along the way.

Added: Current CN requirement is 2% biodiesel. Voluntary might be higher.

http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/altern...biodiesel/3515

2% federal and no province mandates higher than 4%.

http://www.biofuelnet.ca/2013/09/26/...uels-mandates/





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Interesting. Thanks for the links. Sounds like our biodiesel content is lower which may be a good thing if the engine manufacturers haven't adapted very quickly to handling higher biodiesel content fuels.

I guess my point was that our B5 is probably the same as your B5. I have no doubt that we'll follow your government's lead and adopt higher percentages of biodiesel in the not too distant future. Our previous government was probably more highly sensitive to the oil and agricultural sectors. The current government is expected be more keen to push renewables.
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Interesting. Thanks for the links. Sounds like our biodiesel content is lower which may be a good thing if the engine manufacturers haven't adapted very quickly to handling higher biodiesel content fuels.

I guess my point was that our B5 is probably the same as your B5. I have no doubt that we'll follow your government's lead and adopt higher percentages of biodiesel in the not too distant future. Our previous government was probably more highly sensitive to the oil and agricultural sectors. The current government is expected be more keen to push renewables.
That does make sense. Also, producers or retail chains could voluntarily make or buy higher % blends, so certainly if they buy from the US they could get B5 up to B20. That's interesting too because they may not have to disclose it, and if labeling is not required then the station owners may not have a clue what is in their diesel.
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Interesting. Thanks for the links. Sounds like our biodiesel content is lower which may be a good thing if the engine manufacturers haven't adapted very quickly to handling higher biodiesel content fuels.

I guess my point was that our B5 is probably the same as your B5. I have no doubt that we'll follow your government's lead and adopt higher percentages of biodiesel in the not too distant future. Our previous government was probably more highly sensitive to the oil and agricultural sectors. The current government is expected be more keen to push renewables.
B-5 stands for the percentage of blend regardless where you live. B5 is a blend of 5% bio with 95% dino diesel. So B20 is 20% bio blended with 80% dino.
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