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Old 06-28-2017, 08:07 AM   #1
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Napa is currently running a sale on "Mobil 1 ESP Formula 0W30" at $5.79 qt.
For those like me that use Mobil 1 and do their own oil changes it is not a bad price.
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Napa is currently running a sale on "Mobil 1 ESP Formula 0W30" at $5.79 qt.
For those like me that use Mobil 1 and do their own oil changes it is not a bad price.
They had the same sale here in Montana last month. I grabbed 14 qts plus the oil filter for $93 (no sales tax )
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A great price. Call me a an old timer when it comes to diesels but I wouldn't use anything less than a 5w40 in a MB diesel or any diesel for that matter especially if towing in hot weather, pulling a trailer, or driving up steep grades at speed. Finding a 5w40 that meets mercedes specs is a little harder but not impossible.

Everything in the US is spec'd for thin oil to promote fuel economy and exhaust system (DPF) longevity at the expense of engine longevity.

My Ford 6.7l diesel specs's for towing 15w40 in warm climates and 5w40 for all climates but does allow 10w30 diesel oil for "normal" use.

Since a sprinter chassis already is pulling a heavy load, I feel that 0w30 is just too thin to protect the engine's bearings.

Another example to buttress my point: Dodge/Jeep now recommend 5w40 in their 3.0L diesel engine used in their pickup trucks (Ram 1500) and diesel Jeep Grand Cherokee to protect against bearing wear.

If you do use 0w30, please pull an oil sample after 7500 miles to check how it is doing. Hopefully I'm wrong but to truly know, oil analysis is the best way to obtain peace of mind if you do follow the engine spec for oil.

The 3.0L mercedes engine in the sprinter chassis is a decent engine. I have one in a 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee and run a hot tune on it that pumps the torque up to 420 lb-ft of torque. Its been fed nothing but a diet of 5w40 over the past 10 years.

MB 229.51 (what I use in my 3.0 MB diesel)
Low SAPS Long Life engine oil for diesel engines with particle filter meeting emission EU-4 -> standards.

MB 229.52 <-- new spec calling for thinner oil

Oils meeting this specifications must have lower ash content, at least 1% better fuel economy compared to the requirements of MB 229.31 and MB 229.51 and better oxidation stability for biofuel compatibility.

I personally am not a fan of intervals longer than 10k miles (if all highway) or 7500 miles if mixed driving. The 3.0L is a higher revving diesel engine compared to larger diesels and with a turbo, it is pretty hard on oil.

I apologize if I started an oil war
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Old 06-28-2017, 12:33 PM   #4
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A great price. Call me a an old timer when it comes to diesels but I wouldn't use anything less than a 5w40 in a MB diesel or any diesel for that matter especially if towing in hot weather, pulling a trailer, or driving up steep grades at speed.

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If you do use 0w30, please pull an oil sample after 7500 miles to check how it is doing. Hopefully I'm wrong but to truly know, oil analysis is the best way to obtain peace of mind if you do follow the engine spec for oil.

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I apologize if I started an oil war
No need to apologize. I agree on the oil analysis. I run Rotella T6 in my 2000 F350 7.3 with 190k miles on it. Last time I had the oil analyzed at about 6500 miles the lab said to run it another 3k and send in another sample. I changed it before the 3k.

As for the MB diesel, I also think it is rather thin. Most of my driving will be highway and in temps less than 90deg. Montana in the summer and AZ in the winter. 3500 miles on it now and I will definitely change it out at about 7500.

Any thoughts on oil additives?
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Any thoughts on oil additives?
MB will NOT be happy if you use additives.

Also, MB is using 0-30 (at least the Tucson dealer is). I've had my oil analyzed twice, after about 9,000 miles each time, and the lab has suggested it could go another couple of thousand.

Also note that, unlike say, a FedEx delivery truck, our RVs are not likely to ever make it to 200,000 miles ... most probably won't make it to 100,000 ... before the whole house shakes itself apart. Or we die of old age.

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Also note that, unlike say, a FedEx delivery truck, our RVs are not likely to ever make it to 200,000 miles ... most probably won't make it to 100,000 ... before the whole house shakes itself apart. Or we die of old age.

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Agree - I suspect death by old age of both myself and the Prism is likely to occur before 100k.
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MB dealer's here in north Florida also service with 0W30. Change every 8k unless that will be exceeded on a trip; then I will change before departing.
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READ YOUR MANUAL, It contains pertinent information

per 2016 MBS Sprinter 3500 Owners Manual

"The MB Specifications for Service Products
valid for your vehicle are
R228.51
R229.31
R229.51

These are high quality engine oils which have a
positive effect on:
engine wear
fuel consumption
exhaust gas emissions

Multi-grade engine oils of the prescribed SAE
class (viscosity) may be used all year round, taking the outside temperature into account"

The owners manual then contains a chart which includes:

0W30, 0W40
5W30, 5W40, 5W50
10W30, 10W40, 10W50, 10W60
15W30, 15W40, 15W50
20W40, 20W50

with temperature ranges for each oil viscosity.

Like was mentioned earlier. Mercedes Benz ships the 3.0 engine with 0W30 in it in order to meet the fuel mileage they told the federal government it would get. But they do allow you to pick and choose which viscosity oils you choose to use just as long as they meet their specifications.

I don't have a clue what the any other year manual states because I have a 2016, therefore I would suggest you read your owners manual to find out which viscosity oils and which MBS Specs. you can use without worrying about your warranty.

Hope this helps

PS: page 281 of the 2016 owners manual if you are interested in viewing the chart and specs.
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Also note that, unlike say, a FedEx delivery truck, our RVs are not likely to ever make it to 200,000 miles ... most probably won't make it to 100,000 ... before the whole house shakes itself apart. Or we die of old age.
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The current recommended spec. is MB APPROVED 229.52
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The current recommended spec. is MB APPROVED 229.52
recommended and required are two different things... Your owners manual will tell you what you can use. Just because there is a new spec for oil does not mean you are required to use it. Like I mentioned above. I am allowed to use any of the specifications and oil viscosity listed in my 2016 owners manual just as long as I choose one that meets the temperature range for the area I will be using it in.

Technically speaking the 229.52 spec is not a valid spec for my engine because it is not listed as such in the owners manual.
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Of course you can use what ever you want. The point I was making is you are not limited to 229.51. There is a newer spec. as listed on the MB approved oils. At the time you owners manual was produced there may of not been .52.
Things are updated all of the time. Example: The fuel filters have been upgraded multiple times.
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Napa is currently running a sale on "Mobil 1 ESP Formula 0W30" at $5.79 qt.
For those like me that use Mobil 1 and do their own oil changes it is not a bad price.
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I believe the MB 229.52 spec came out in September 2016 so of course a 2016 owners manual wouldn't know about them as it was printed before that.

Specs change with time and the new spec for the bluTec is 229.52. Is it better than 229.51 - beats me, but it has to get a 1% fuel mileage increase - which could be at the expense of engine wear.

From the Mercedes site:
MB 229.52Oils meeting this specifications must have lower ash content, at least 1% better fuel economy compared to the requirements of MB 229.31 and MB 229.51 and better oxidation stability for biofuel compatibility. Can also be used where an MB 229.31 or an MB 229.51 oil is required. Just like MB 229.5 and MB 229.51 this spec requires a long life oil. Better able to handle biofuel seems worth it to me as it can be difficult or impossible to find only 5% biofuel in many areas.



I'll run my factory fill of 229.51 for 5000-7500 miles and then switch it up to the cheap(er) 229.52 I picked up last month. Mercedes is welcome to warranty the engine if issues arise.
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The only problem with "thin" oil is oil consumption will go up on an almost worn out engine , which can get expensive.

For an RV with perhaps 5,000-10,000 miles a year its probably a problem in 30 years.

The oil 30wt or 40wt is really thin at 180f-220f , and there will be no difference in oil pressure underway.

The oil it self does not do the lubrication as the crank slides by the bearings , a thick film pumped by the crank or rod action creates the film that keeps the parts apart.
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At startup for 0W30 is when the "0" in the oil weight is important. The oil will get to critical components faster (turbocharger for one) than a thicker oil. At normal operating temp. (100C/212F) the oil is "30"

I have always been a proponent of using thinner oils if that oil is approved by the manufacturer.

As an example, a Jet engine which turns in excess 13000 rpm uses an oil that is basically "5"wt. Of course they are formulated differently and are ester based. They still operate under extreme conditions and temperatures for a very thin oil. The tolerances are much closer in those types of engines. That same oil is also used in reduction gear boxes that have very large gears, roller, ball and bushing bearings.

Point being; oils today are not oils of yesteryear.

Main point that started all this is! Napa is running a sale of Mobil 1 if you use it
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Napa is currently running a sale on "Mobil 1 ESP Formula 0W30" at $5.79 qt.
For those like me that use Mobil 1 and do their own oil changes it is not a bad price.
O'reilly's has run Napa out of my area, but 5 quart jugs of Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 are available at Walmart for $22.88. That's $4.58/qt.
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O'reilly's has run Napa out of my area, but 5 quart jugs of Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 are available at Walmart for $22.88. That's $4.58/qt.
Wow - the two WalMarts I've looked at don't carry any size of the ESP 0w30 and last I checked they didn't have it available online.
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For all the folks equating thinner oil for more engine wear, lets think about this a second.

If an engine has to increase efficiency by running a thinner oil, doesnt that pretty much eliminate the friction theory? If there is more wear, there is more friction. if there is more friction, the engine is LESS efficient.

FWIW I work for a large trucking fleet and we now run 10w30 in our vehicles. part of my job is reading and interpreting oil analysis results. These engines are not wearing any faster than previous engines running 15w40.

All in all, I say run what you like. Its your vehicle, your money.

I run the recommended weight oil in all my Ford vehicles which is 5w20, which I get in full synthetic. I run them all over the western states in desert heat and long high mountain grades. I also only change the oil once a year. Oil analysis has consistently shown that not only are my engines not wearing, my oil is still performing perfectly at that time.

My only caveat to any of this is if you have a diesel with an EGR system. They inherently build up internal carbon quickly, and if oil analysis is not a viable option, change the oil per recommended intervals or even sooner.
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O'reilly's has run Napa out of my area, but 5 quart jugs of Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 are available at Walmart for $22.88. That's $4.58/qt.
In my area Walmart does not carry Mobil 1 ESP 0w30. I wish they did. Was going to try an order it from their web site but they don't show it. They do carry Mobil 1 0W-30 Advanced Fuel Economy Full Synthetic Motor Oil. Don't think it meets the recommended spec. for MB approved 229.31/228.31/229.51/229.52, but I could be wrong.

There are plenty of MB approved oil manufactures, but I am only addressing Mobil 1.

From MB Sprinter operators manual:

Specifications for Service Products and the
prescribed ACEA and/or API
classifications. Using engine oils of another
quality is not permitted and may invalidate
the New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
The use of other, non-approved engine oils
for diesel engines can cause damage to the
diesel particle filter (DPF).
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