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Old 08-10-2016, 05:56 PM   #11
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Aspenmeadow, I know the feeling as I bought a Sprinter based Freelander, 24'10".
My GVWR is 11,222# and empty except for 30 gal. fresh water and 1/2 tank Diesel is 9,640#. That leaves me 1,582# and I have already loaded for camping and only have less than 600# left. I can't even tow a smart car.
My next "C" will be on a Ford F450 or F550 Chassis, something that can carry a load. Never again will I be interested in a Sprinter "C".
Marvin
PS, we are in our 70/80's.
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Old 08-10-2016, 07:50 PM   #12
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Aspenmeadow, I know the feeling as I bought a Sprinter based Freelander, 24'10".
My GVWR is 11,222# and empty except for 30 gal. fresh water and 1/2 tank Diesel is 9,640#. That leaves me 1,582# and I have already loaded for camping and only have less than 600# left. I can't even tow a smart car.
My next "C" will be on a Ford F450 or F550 Chassis, something that can carry a load. Never again will I be interested in a Sprinter "C".
Marvin
PS, we are in our 70/80's.
Am I missing something here? FR MBS has a GCWR of approx 15,000 lbs.
Why couldn't you tow an 1850 lb Smart car?
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Old 08-10-2016, 08:15 PM   #13
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Am I missing something here? FR MBS has a GCWR of approx 15,000 lbs.
Why couldn't you tow an 1850 lb Smart car?
Heavens to Betsy, I hope you are right, I will have to re-check the door decal in the AM. Maybe I misread it.
Thanks for the alert but I was under the impression that my GCWR was 11,222#
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PS, it's a 3500Sprinter chassis.
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I think I'm missing something also, I've seen SUV's being pulled behind these and I toll a Ford Fiesta on a car dolly with no trouble at all. So unless your taking the entire house packed into the RV I don't understand. I think someone is doing too math.
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Old 08-10-2016, 09:07 PM   #15
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Heavens to Betsy, I hope you are right, I will have to re-check the door decal in the AM. Maybe I misread it.
Thanks for the alert but I was under the impression that my GCWR was 11,222#
Marvin
PS, it's a 3500Sprinter chassis.
I just walked out to mine and checked the sticker. 2014 FR Solera (2013 chassis 3500) GVWR 11030.

GA Boy take a look at this. It might give you a little more comfort. Hope it helps.
Scroll down to the second page.
http://www.mercedes-benz-vans.ca/fil...Data_Sheet.pdf
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Old 08-10-2016, 09:43 PM   #16
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As noted in the link above from Mikegjax, GCWR is 15250. GVWR is 11030, so if vehicle is loaded to max (11030 lbs)(including all tongue weight), 4220 lbs available for towed vehicle. Any weight on the hitch (tongue weight) must be included in the 11030 GVWR, as I understand.
Solera brochure link (for my 2012):
http://www.forestriverinc.com/brochu...rabrochure.pdf
Shows the same weight rating numbers, 11030 and 15250.
FYI, Jim
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Old 08-10-2016, 09:54 PM   #17
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I agree

Lou, the mirror is not needed. My wife uses only the mirror above the wash basin and neither of us use the bathroom mirror. I've thought of replacing the living area mirror with a framed map of either Oregon or the west Coast where we travel. We can get maps on the iPads, but to talk about going to an unplanned place if we find it is too crowded where we are. Besides, I would like something pleasant to look at rather than my reflection. I kike who I am, but I don't need to look at myself except to comb my hair or shave. Three mirrors are too many.

I am serious about lightening the unit as much as I can. We do not need the privacy door in the bedroom, so that coming out as soon as I can figure out how it comes off. It looks heavy. The folding door near the dinette is all the privacy we need.
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Lou, the mirror is not needed. My wife uses only the mirror above the wash basin and neither of us use the bathroom mirror. I've thought of replacing the living area mirror with a framed map of either Oregon or the west Coast where we travel. We can get maps on the iPads, but to talk about going to an unplanned place if we find it is too crowded where we are. Besides, I would like something pleasant to look at rather than my reflection. I kike who I am, but I don't need to look at myself except to comb my hair or shave. Three mirrors are too many.

I am serious about lightening the unit as much as I can. We do not need the privacy door in the bedroom, so that coming out as soon as I can figure out how it comes off. It looks heavy. The folding door near the dinette is all the privacy we need.
While that all may be true...not everyone camps the same way.

The bathroom door is so that during the day if you want to hop into the "loo"(sounds fancier). You can do so with privacy and not restrict access to the bedroom for others. If someone wants to get up and take a shower, you can pull the sliding door. If the grand kids are coming along...you can pull the sliding door and the folding partition...leave the bath door open and go straight from shower to wardrobe with privacy front and back.

There are a lot of niceties...but boy, the second you take one out all hell breaks loose.

I just had a conversation about a month a go. Customer on another model was complaining that we did not have metal wrapped awnings throughout, no solid surface on every counter and had single shades instead of double. I explained that while each by itself is not a big deal, combined, saved us over 200 lbs of CCC. His response..."I would have rather had those items. No one cares about weight...everyone travels over weight"

A movie quote comes to mind every time from Rocky IV. Adrian at the top of the stairs "You can't win!"
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:56 AM   #19
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The CCC is an issue

The low cargo carrying capacity on the MBS chassis is (can be) an issue. I thought ours (at 925 pounds) was low - but 800 pounds makes the MH difficult to not overload. Certainly makes boondocking almost impossible - unless you don't mind being overweight.

There are several things I have noticed that could be done to eliminate weight without eliminating desirable components, but they would undoubtedly add to the cost of the MH. I would have been willing to spend the extra dollars, but many others might not.

I'm sure it's a difficult balance between trying to be competitive on features and competitive on price.

At the time of our purchase, CCC was not even a blip on our radar screen. I didn't even know to ask about it. As a pilot, I should have - but did not think it was an issue. Hopefully, someone will read this and at least know to ask and make a determination if it's a concern for them or not.
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Old 08-11-2016, 12:05 PM   #20
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Alpenmeadow, Please let me apologize for inadvertently hi-jacking your thread. I think you have the answers---------almost everyone travels overweight with RV's.
I'm no exception---------------and with that I trust you won't be offended with my continuing my problem on your post.
I checked the recommended Sprinter site----thanks.
Here are pictures of my door stickers. I think that my GVW will end up around 10,800#. Will others please post what I can tow 4 down?
Thank you all.
Marvin



BTW, when I went out to take the picks this Swarm of little bugs were in formation on the RV door. I don't recall ever seeing these in GA before,
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