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Old 08-07-2011, 07:26 PM   #1
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Water leak and delamination...maybe??

Was out on the road the last 11 days and ran into somr rain on the trip. We found that we had a water leak in the window over the couch. Went to Wal Mart ...got some silicone and put it around the top of the window...thinking that the water HAD to be coming from there. Well...a couple days later...some more rain.....a smaller leak...but from the same window. I looked at the caulk job and it looked really good so I borrowed an 8' ladder and looked at the top of the slide out. the tape...3" to 4" wide is all wrinkled on the edges and it looked like that the water could be coming from there. More caulk under the wrinkled high spots towards the trailer wall and along the side of the tape next to the slide wall. Still have a very small leak and we are headed to the dealer in the morning.....BUT... in the whole process of trying to stop the leak I noticed a few "bubbles" on the slide wall. Wondering if the pictures look like delamination? Not sure that I know what to call them except "bubbles".

Guess we'll find out tomorrow. Any other ideas?

We still had a great trip. Just need to get everything fixed before the next trip.

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Old 08-07-2011, 09:09 PM   #2
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Looks like delamination from the pictures....would get ahold of your dealer as soon as you can! Sooner the better !! Good luck...I'm sure they'll fix you up !!
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Old 08-07-2011, 09:10 PM   #3
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Had them on my 1999 Prowler found it was delamation from water damage. Insurance totaled it out. I now have a 2012 Puma with aluminum siding. Found out the fiberglass walls are glued to the exterior plywood. Did not think that i could do a DIY
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Old 08-07-2011, 09:15 PM   #4
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We gotta wash the beast in the morning...LOTS of Kansas bugs...then its off to the dealer...and I have no doubt they will get it fixed totally.
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Sorry to see that Bob, but yeah it looks like a delam problem.

Another thing to check is on the inside. Run the palm of your hand over the wall and see if you can feel any swelling. Also look for small hard bumps that can sometimes look like a rash. These are signs of water damage as well.

I'm sue that Dave's RV & FR will treat you right.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
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Old 08-07-2011, 09:38 PM   #6
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Thanks Gary...I'm sure it will all work out.
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A few more pictures from this morning after getting the front all cleaned up before heading to Daves RV. They assured me it will get fixed.
The pictures show how the tape on top of the slideouts has wrinkled and I think allowed water to invade the wall.
All will be okay.
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That looks pretty rough. Glad they're taking care of you. I believed they would.
Keep us posted. Your experience may help others.
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I do not believe this is not something a dealer would touch at their shop.... I would prepare myself yourself for installation of a wall or two at the factory ... I hope it is still under factory warranty ?please let it be .....
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I do not believe this is not something a dealer would touch at their shop.... I would prepare myself yourself for installation of a wall or two at the factory ... I hope it is still under factory warranty ?please let it be .....
YES.....Thank you Lord it is less than a year old and the main question will it be fixed for our 4 week trip in October or will they want to wait to fix it after we get back.

Guess we'll sit back and wait and see.

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Get er done

Got a call this morning from the service folks at Daves Claremore RV with the news that Forest River has agreed that there is a problem with our slideout wall and that they have okayed replacing the wall and fixing the seal tape on top of both slides.
The work will be done at Daves RV as soon as they can get a wall built and shipped to Daves.
This all sounds like a good deal to us. Glad the trailer will not have to back to Indiana and they are thinking that it will be completed before we head out in early October for a 4 week trip.
Thanks to Dave Carter, the service dept. and all the other folks at Daves for ALL that they do.

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Old 08-29-2011, 06:56 PM   #12
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Delamination Follow up

Was at Daves RV today and asked about any update on getting the new wall for our delamination issue.

I was told..."They are not sending a new wall because it would be too big to ship.....and they are sending the skin material for them to replace here in Daves RD shop"

I thought I had a real warm fuzzy feeling about getting the wall replaced and now I'm not so sure.

Was also told that the wall fix would be covered under the original warranty...but it will run out before we get the trailer back from the shop.

Does anyone have any suggestions or experiance with getting a wall "reskinned"?

Thanks for any and all input.
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I really don't know what to tell you. That just doesn't sound right.
I think I would try to get the wall replaced if it was me. If I understand the process correctly, these walls are suppose to be vacuum bonded. There is a process where they roll the laminated walls to create the bond, but I believe this method is one that has alot of delamination issues.
I would contact FR and see if they'll take it back to the factory for proper repair, replacement of all water damaged walls. It may mean delaying your trip in October, but at least you'll have a properly repaired trailer.
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Was at Daves RV today and asked about any update on getting the new wall for our delamination issue.

I was told..."They are not sending a new wall because it would be too big to ship.....and they are sending the skin material for them to replace here in Daves RD shop"

I thought I had a real warm fuzzy feeling about getting the wall replaced and now I'm not so sure.

Was also told that the wall fix would be covered under the original warranty...but it will run out before we get the trailer back from the shop.

Does anyone have any suggestions or experiance with getting a wall "reskinned"?

Thanks for any and all input.
From what I understand all fibreglass walls are either pinch rolled or vacuum bonded. I suppose a wall could be reskinned by clamping the fibreglass to the wall assembly.

I would stop the leak for now, go on the trip and get it shipped back to the factory for replacement of the walls when you return.

How big is your slide? I had this very same issue. Out of warranty, forest river sent the back of my slide up to Canada and the dealer replaced it. It was approx. 7 feet by 5 feet? (guesstimate...)

My dealer was my best friend in helping me get this problem fixed...

good luck,
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That looks very much like water invasion, and there is no real fix, other than replace. I don't know many dealers with a shop that can replace that. Since it is under warranty, I would demand it go back to the factory. It shouldn't ne that hard as campers are brought in by private one ton trucks, and they get paid per mile while towing. I'm sure they would love to grab one and go back getting paid, instead of running empty on their own time and fuel.

I would demand it go back or be replace. If no satisfaction, call the insurance people and get their opinion/pressure.

Lastly, as far as I know, the owner id not required to caulk or reseal for the first year. After that must provide receipts for materials used to maintain the trailer.

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Old 08-29-2011, 09:34 PM   #16
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Thanks guys.....Everyone is thinking like I am on this one.

Thinking I'll be busy on the phone tomorrow morning trying to get a better answer.
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I agree with the others, and re-skinning is just a patch job, at best. The whole wall will be wet, insulation and all. And that means that the inside wall is ready to get that "rash" another poster mentioned.
And what's with that sealing tape on the slide roof? I thought the factory was using Eternabond tape, but it looks like some cheap Chinese knock-off crap. That's unbelievable on that new of a trailer.

I just finished fixing yet another one of my day/night shades. Turns out the assembly worker in China forgot to string it properly. The last one I fixed they buggered up one of the grommets that is supposed to keep the strings from chaffing, and it cut one of the strings in no time.

Yup, its great to have so much of our new campers sourced from the lowest-priced supplier! Who cares about quality or workmanship!
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Hi Broken Arrow Bob! I am from your neck of the woods also! Almost bought a trailer from Dave's but the exact one I wanted was at RT 66 so I purchased from them.

We chose a fiberglass trailer because I belived it would be much more "water resistant". After reading this thread I am starting to worry a little! It sounds like maybe the issue is with the slide sealing?
Which leads to my question...I have been noticing that a lot of campers sitting in yards appear to be sitting with the slides out. Are they storing them that way or does it just happen to be that every one I saw on my way out of town last Friday had them open in preparation to use them?
I am totally new at this so please forgive my dumb questions.
I am hoping for the best for you and your trailer. I will be anxious to hear what happens!
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Hi Brandi...and welcome to the forum. We are sure our trailer is going to get fixed right...it may just take a little time.
If you bought a Forest River trailer WELCOME to FROG...Forest River Owners Group.
We store our trailer at a mini storage lot and keep the slides closed when in storage. We will bring the trailer home 3 or 4 days before we head out on a trip and will mostly have the slides open to get everything loaded up.

We'll keep everyone up to date with our issues...and...there are no dumb questions here. We all learn every day.

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Good news

Heard from our dealer service dept today. Salem warranty folks have decided..."YES WE WILL REPLACE THE DELAMINATED WALL".....after our October trip.

Between now and Saturday they will replace the wrinkled tape on top of both slides with Eternabond and we should be good to go until Salem can ship a wall or decide to take the trailer back to the factory, and we will be able to leave on our trip on time.

Thanks to Salems warranty dept and big thanks to DAVES RV CLAREMORE for all of their help.

Have plans to meet fellow FROG folks from the Branson Rally...Jerry and Ann Johnson in Charlotte area as we go thru.
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