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Old 03-17-2013, 08:37 AM   #141
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I'm more confused by the axle and dry pin calculation now...IMHO it should be max pin weight + max axle weight = gvwr because just adding the dry pin leaves you an undistributed weight of contents
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Old 03-17-2013, 09:15 AM   #142
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I'm more confused by the axle and dry pin calculation now...IMHO it should be max pin weight + max axle weight = gvwr because just adding the dry pin leaves you an undistributed weight of contents
How they derived the GVWR of the camper was as Dave stated, they take the 2 6K axles and then the dry pin weight of 2060 pounds. I agree it should be max weight for the pin, but that isn't how it's done. You are absolutely correct. Dry pin weight really means nothing to us, other than trying to figure out what truck to buy(or if the one we have is adequate), since we are going to load the unit. Ideally the pin weight should be within 15-25% of the weight of the camper. Some people will have more on the pin due to the way it is loaded. There are people who weight their rigs, then go back and try to distribute the weight more evenly. Most of these do this in motor homes to try and even out the suspension. It's called "4 corner weighing". However it really doesn't matter to us in 5ers as we have 4(or 6) wheels on the ground then the pin weight. Some try to add or subtract from the pin in ours. After my axles were changed, I now have a GVWR of 15,500 which is the rated limit for my pin box.
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Old 03-17-2013, 09:32 AM   #143
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How they derived the GVWR of the camper was as Dave stated, they take the 2 6K axles and then the dry pin weight of 2060 pounds. I agree it should be max weight for the pin, but that isn't how it's done. You are absolutely correct. Dry pin weight really means nothing to us, other than trying to figure out what truck to buy(or if the one we have is adequate), since we are going to load the unit. Ideally the pin weight should be within 15-25% of the weight of the camper. Some people will have more on the pin due to the way it is loaded. There are people who weight their rigs, then go back and try to distribute the weight more evenly. Most of these do this in motor homes to try and even out the suspension. It's called "4 corner weighing". However it really doesn't matter to us in 5ers as we have 4(or 6) wheels on the ground then the pin weight. Some try to add or subtract from the pin in ours. After my axles were changed, I now have a GVWR of 15,500 which is the rated limit for my pin box.
Wow, dry pin should have no bearing on total, I think gvwr would equal axles plus 25% pin rating which off the top of my head should estimate out to about a gvwr of 15k
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Wow, dry pin should have no bearing on total, I think gvwr would equal axles plus 25% pin rating which off the top of my head should estimate out to about a gvwr of 15k
Agreed!
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I'm not stupid to make my rig weigh 20k lbs but I have personally accepted the calculated risk of being under 15k based on the "conservative" manufacturer numbers. When I weigh, if the only number I'm over is the gvwr, I'm content as long as its minimal
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Old 03-17-2013, 11:43 AM   #146
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No one considers the fact the frames are only built to carry x amount. Maybe that is why they have 6 k axles.
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No one considers the fact the frames are only built to carry x amount. Maybe that is why they have 6 k axles.
Very true, however; with that being said, a 7k axle option wouldn't work and not be available if the frame couldn't support it. I agree frame might be a factor but I believe the frame is probably the highest rated weight item in the rigs as most frames are the same and only difference is length regardless of most makes or models
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Also there is no such thing as a short bed dually, they all have 8 ft beds thus they would not need to put rounded caps to fit a SRW short bed making it more of a marketing and sales calculation than safety. Golfmedik opinion rings true, business 101 says if you want to sell a product, make it marketable to a vast majority rather than a select group. With the lower ratings it makes it appear good for short bed 250's and 2500s
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Old 03-17-2013, 01:24 PM   #149
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I'm heading out next week for FL, and will stop along the way and get mine weighed. Curious as to how it will weigh out, fully loaded for a week, and only minimal water in tank.
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Beausdog just a clarification there are short bed duallies the Dodge Mega cab like mine is a 6.5 ft bed and Ford also offered a crew cab 6.5 ft bed dually from 02 to 07. The fords are rare I looked long and hard for a 7.3 liter 02 early 03 short bed to no avail so it was the Dodge instead.

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However, on another note back to the dealer this week for the punch list. Both ac units have bent fan shafts and are shaking the rv down through the walls and floor, and the roof is having some weird rust staining coming up through the impervious rubber roof this looks concerning to me since it looks like there is a water or dampness issue under the roof. By the way it was built in November and we haven't used it once yet so i can't imagine where the water or moisture is coming from. Also right were the rust marks are are above the bathroom and the ceiling is now sagging and the ac vent hits the top of the door which it didn't do a month ago, add in the slide issues and non latching doors and we shall see.

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