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Old 12-02-2013, 03:55 PM   #191
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Be very careful about mentioning the "L" word as it may violate forum rules here and may get the thread closed. As far as the weight, most published reports in many camping/RV magazines state that in an RV the average weight of 'stuff' that is carried is between 1600-1800 pounds ( several articles like this Odds are, your RV is packing too much weight! ) When I talked to the engineer at Sandpiper, I was told nearly the same thing that they build them to carry about 1600-1800 pounds, but each option you add decreases what else you can carry. And no one, no one, even sales people will tell you that! I got so worried about mine that I starting digging(as I guess you can tell) and started looking up each item that didn't come on it and finding out its weight. The engineer asked the factory if they had put the wrong weight sticker on my rig. I would like to think that this weight issue was an oversight, but I am not the slightest bit convinced of that. I truly believe that if they were to come with 7k axles under them, and they were advertised as such, like the Montanas and a few others, it would limit the amount of them they sell due to eliminating people with 3/4 ton trucks. That being said, most people rely on the salesman for their information. And you know how that goes!!! The factory really leaves it up to us to figure it out on our own. The sales staff just wants a sale no matter what. Another problem is that today's trucks are 'capable' of pulling them, but not rated to do so. People with the 3/4 ton trucks run out of payload capacity due to hitch weight very quickly due to the overall weight of the camper to begin with, figuring 20% of total weight on the pin. To be honest, I pulled both of ours with a 2010 F350 DRW 6.4L 4WD diesel and it was overweight in the GCWR. The truck was rated to tow up to 23,500 and we were at 25,000 with hardly anything in the rig AND on 6k axles! My newer truck is rated to pull up to 30k so I am covered completely now. I do understand your concern. At first, they didn't want to talk to me and then all of a sudden they wanted me to bring mine back to the factory. In the dead of winter, no way, when the dealer could do it right here and I had certified weight tickets to prove what it weighed.
As far as the weight in your rig, it may not be 'your' stuff that is heavy. It is more than likely the rig itself. IF you remember in the posts, that the advertised weight of mine was around 11,600 and they were off quite a bit after the options were added. I went and got most of the stuff I could find for sale online and got the shipping weight from it and figured out some of the weight that way. Like the electric rear jacks at the time were not standard. The second AC weighs this according to their website etc....In all honesty, if you want to know to the pound what it weighs, take everything out of it and put it in your garage and head out for the scales. It is a lot of work but can be done in a day. Another alternative, is to walk through you rig with a video camera and open every cabinet, drawer and door in the rig and document what is in it. If it is not "excessive' then you have a legitimate gripe. Which I believe you do anyway. During my problem, my dealer was 100% on my side and even told the rep and engineer that I had no more "stuff" in my camper than any other they had seen. Of course, now realize, that if things hadn't been settled, that nasty word would have been sought! I couldn't in good conscience, put my family at risk in a rig that was overweight like that knowing what the biggest area of possible failure was, and that the axles would come under fire if ever in an interstate accident here in my state.
To answer your other question, why do they still do it? To sell very popular rigs. People want them, they have them. They put the weights out there of a bare-bones rig to get the numbers in line with what people believe is the 'correct' towing weight. Most people see a rig and see it weighs 11,000, my truck is rated to pull 14k so I am good. Not realizing all the factors that go into those numbers. And that is what they are banking on.
Just out of curiosity, how did you find this link? Not that it really matters, as I have put it on two other forums this week, as a new couple just bought the same rig as mine and wanted him to know the story. Funny thing, my dealer only orders 365s now with 7k axles. Not a one on the lot has 6k under it. And your is longer. Good luck, stay persistent and get the dealer and or service centers involved if they, will and contact FR directly. Get and keep records of all documentation from pics of the rig, the advertised weights(both internet and brochure), weight stickers, pics of wheels(shows 6 lugs) and things like that. Do this with a camera, video and your cell phones so you can have different media all showing the same thing. I was able to email the engineer and rep pics of my scale tickets while talking to them. The guys here will do anything we can to help. That I am sure.
I am not saying I am going to start one, but I would join one. I feel the same way you do about safety and family in this crazy rv. I realize that we may need to unload everything but that is harder than you think. We don't really have a house anymore and if we did, we are on the road thousands of miles away from "home". We are verifying if we need to attempt this task (still have not heard from warranty rep at Forest River) and who we can use to do so.
I also agree about the love of most of the design. The living area is the best I ever have seen. That is and was the reason we bought this unit.
We haul with a 06 f350 6.0 and are aware of the GVCW. We are aware we will have to keep it light still but in our eyes, it would still be safer. The only other option is to ward off all Forest River RV's and buy something else which is not something we are wanting. Although the Sabre is looking good even though it is related to Forest River.
I also thought I would add for all other Forest River owners---I think they are now making the 2014 models with 7K axles. I looked up the new weight and info and saw they added the 7K as a standard option on our unit. I also called RVW to verify my thought and they stated they were standard. One year too late for us though.
Thank you for all your information. It is very helpful for dealing with Forest River. If you think of anymore tidbits, please don't hesitate to add.

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Old 12-12-2013, 01:58 AM   #192
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Replacing Axles

Just wanted to update everyone. Forest River is going to replace our axles at no cost to us. The problem still worries me due to the placement of the propane line and break lines. Everyone needs to be careful with these rigs and their axle-weight issues.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:55 AM   #193
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Hi Golfmedik,
Wow I appreciate that you have share your story with everyone, unfortunately I have the same problem since my 365SAQ weight 12,982 without 2nd air and gen. Would you be able to provide me with names (e.g. enginer) that you deal with at FR. I am presently talking with Wayne (customer service) at FR but nothing is really moving and my dealer does not want to push either because they never offered me the option of the 7k axle in the first place and they feel probably guilty...Can you assist me?

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Old 02-28-2014, 02:06 PM   #194
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Doju, Wayne I believe was the same person I dealt with to have mine replaced. I had no problems. I sent one email, he approved the new axles and labor too. It was 5 months old at the time of axle swap oct 2013.
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Old 02-28-2014, 08:27 PM   #195
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The PMs were sent. Doju, let us know how things evolve throughout the process. They do read these forums.
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Thanks guys again for your help, Wayne has confirmed that everything is approved and will send the parts shortly to my dealer. I'm glad that now FR has fixed the problem with their new 365SAQ-B unit for future customers...
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Old 03-03-2014, 02:28 PM   #197
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Thanks guys again for your help, Wayne has confirmed that everything is approved and will send the parts shortly to my dealer. I'm glad that now FR has fixed the problem with their new 365SAQ-B unit for future customers...
Great to hear!

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Old 03-03-2014, 02:54 PM   #198
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Thanks guys again for your help, Wayne has confirmed that everything is approved and will send the parts shortly to my dealer. I'm glad that now FR has fixed the problem with their new 365SAQ-B unit for future customers...
Good! Great to hear!!

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Thanks guys again for your help, Wayne has confirmed that everything is approved and will send the parts shortly to my dealer. I'm glad that now FR has fixed the problem with their new 365SAQ-B unit for future customers...
Thats great to hear!
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How can one identify a 7000K lb axle vs a 6000K lb? I have a 2014 365SAQ which is advertised to have the 7000K lb axles, but how would I be able to verify, or is it just a given?
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