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Old 10-03-2012, 08:03 PM   #21
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I will keep you guys updated it's just AGGRIVATING that the people who are supposed to know this stuff are clueless. I have to agree that a rig this size should not be built to run on the ragged edge. Any failure at speed with something this large would be a dangerous situation. Plus the huge amount of storage space added to the fact that this unit is built to accommodate a family of at least 4 you would think that there would be plenty of loading capacity.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:25 PM   #22
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I would really be interested to see what your rigs weigh. I weighed mine last summer coming home from a week long vacation at the lake. I was TOTALLY shocked at the result.
I carry 3 bikes on the pin box as you can see, but that weight is over the bed of the truck and on the rear axle. I have lightened the rig up a little, but not much. I am leary of posting a pic of the scale ticket on here because I know the 'weight police' would be all over all of us! That is what started this entire incident with me. It really could get very dicey. I'm sure this is not the only rig out there like this. The 355's are very close to the weight of the 365's and many manufacturers have a floor plan similar to this due to its popularity. But, when you look at the websites, you see a lot come with bigger axles.
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I see on ebay where you can get 2 7000lb Dexter axles with brakes for 765.00 I know then I need to get them installed and buy wheels and tires. I wonder if this is worth it.

(2) NEW 7000 LB 7K BRAKE AXLES 95 HF 80 SC TRAILERS PARTS DEXTER AXLES | eBay

A few options to choose from. Obviously I'd need to do more research on exactly what I have on my 365 to do a real quote. I have complained about the cargo carrying capacity though, I am sitting better then golfmedik, I have roughly 1400lbs carrying capacity. Though I am quite sure I am over that. We set our camper up like our second house. We can decide to camp and all we need is milk, bread, and eggs. It's loaded with everything from toiletries, to clothes, to household supplies. By the time I add water, and all the crap that's in there, I am sure we're over substantially. I'll make plans to weigh it next weekend. We're planning a trip out.
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Old 10-04-2012, 04:27 AM   #24
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I see on ebay where you can get 2 7000lb Dexter axles with brakes for 765.00 I know then I need to get them installed and buy wheels and tires. I wonder if this is worth it.

(2) NEW 7000 LB 7K BRAKE AXLES 95 HF 80 SC TRAILERS PARTS DEXTER AXLES | eBay

A few options to choose from. Obviously I'd need to do more research on exactly what I have on my 365 to do a real quote. I have complained about the cargo carrying capacity though, I am sitting better then golfmedik, I have roughly 1400lbs carrying capacity. Though I am quite sure I am over that. We set our camper up like our second house. We can decide to camp and all we need is milk, bread, and eggs. It's loaded with everything from toiletries, to clothes, to household supplies. By the time I add water, and all the crap that's in there, I am sure we're over substantially. I'll make plans to weigh it next weekend. We're planning a trip out.
I've contemplated doing an axle swap myself. But then, I really get peeved that I am going to have to spend more money on what should have been done at the factory. I've already replaced the generic 'china' made tires at $1200. If it were simply removing the old axles and putting in the new ones and hooking up the wires, I'd be all for it. But I wonder if the springs are the same length so you don't have to weld on new shackles and then come the wheels. I'd have to buy a new set of wheels in an 8 lug pattern. As far as tires, I'd be ok. The wheels really wouldn't be that big of a deal I guess as there is a Tredit Tire 40 miles from home that I am near at least twice a week. When I did some research at Dexter Axle site a few months ago, and looking at Etrailer, there was less than $25 per axle difference between a 6k and a 7k alxe. That's when I really got ill! YOu know if it's available to me for that price difference, then those that buy them in bulk would pay less than that! When I get back next week, I am going to my dealer and talk with them. I'll let you know what they say. The more I think about this the more concerning it is. I know I carry a lot of stuff in the camper as we are usually gone for several days at a time, but ther should be more CCC weight on these units than this.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:13 AM   #25
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Monty,

On another note, dexter was a very helpful company to deal with and was the only vender to answer the phone. I will keep you updated.
Marc
I just finished dealing with Dexter to complete an axle upgrade on my 2013 Vibe from 3500 lb to 6000 lb. At first was considering Lippert, however found that Dexter seemed more on the ball with taking phone calls and having the "right" answers with respect to axle requirements and margins for safety on trailer GVWR.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:44 AM   #26
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supercab79, Hey Marc, PM sent to you. Look under your name at top right of page and click on 'Private Messages'. forgive me if you already know how to do this.

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Well finally some info but not without pulling teeth to get it. I was able to actually speak to a FR rep today that was a little stand offish and somewhat clueless but was able to return a phone call with some information.

1st I was told that FR especially the Sandpiper line does not offer a 7K axle upgrade.

2nd I was given another smoke and mirror explanation about pin weight/axle loading/balance and how 7K axles would cause FR to have to redesign the entire unit and they were not necessary.

3rd I was strongly advised to contact Lippert for axle/chassis issues.
After a total waste of time speaking with 2 different Lippert reps I just hung up on the second lady who was actually rude.

Then the FR reps return call.

1st of all his tone was much different than our 1st conversation. He was very shocked to info me that not only was the 7K axle an option but it was being offered due to past customer requests and concerns.

2nd he asked me if I was a current owner of this model and was I having an overloading issue. I explained I have a unit on order and was trying to avoid having issues by ordering the proper equipmen from the startt.

3rd He confirmed that the 7K axles do come with 8 lug wheels but couldn't answer the question if they were the plain standard aluminum pieces or the fancier upgraded wheels. (I had ordered the upgraded wheels)

4th He apologized about the dealers being so clueless.

So there it is the 2013 Sandpiper 365saq is now being offered with 7K axles as a $500 upgrade. They are 8 lug but still using the load range E China Bomb/May pop tires as before. Lippert and the stealership are clueless.
Dexter seems to be a much more competent organization it's a shame FR doesn't use their product. No matter what happens the 365 SAQ is still a fantastic floor plan. Can't wait till 10/25/12 for it to come.

Thanks for the interest.
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:30 PM   #28
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2nd he asked me if I was a current owner of this model and was I having an overloading issue. I explained I have a unit on order and was trying to avoid having issues by ordering the proper equipmen from the startt.

3rd He confirmed that the 7K axles do come with 8 lug wheels but couldn't answer the question if they were the plain standard aluminum pieces or the fancier upgraded wheels. (I had ordered the upgraded wheels)

4th He apologized about the dealers being so clueless.

So there it is the 2013 Sandpiper 365saq is now being offered with 7K axles as a $500 upgrade. They are 8 lug but still using the load range E China Bomb/May pop tires as before. Lippert and the stealership are clueless.
Dexter seems to be a much more competent organization it's a shame FR doesn't use their product. No matter what happens the 365 SAQ is still a fantastic floor plan. Can't wait till 10/25/12 for it to come.

Thanks for the interest.
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I am glad you made progress! I sincerely hope that the unit comes in as you ordered it and have many trouble free years with it! Sounds like I will be visiting my dealer when I get back from my trip this week. Knowing the way I am, this is going to get very interesting! If the axles and springs are 'plug and play' it would make it much easier as to a solution. As stated on an earlier post, I changed to Goodyear G614(many others out there close to this rating-just the ones I chose) tires with a load capacity of 3750(IIRC) per tire. Changing the axles, I would still have more tire than axles. I am going to be calling my buddy at Tredit Tire when I get back as well, to see what kind of pricing I can get on new 8 lug wheels. I want to have some more ammo to go to the dealer with.
Also, not sure if you guys know this or not, but 7k axle wheels will not fit 8k axle wheels. IIRC both are 8 lug wheels and look very similar, but the 7k have 9/16" studs and the 8k have 5/8" studs. Just throwing that out there.

Marc, keep us posted and I would love to see pics of your new rig, inside and out when it gets here!

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I have the outside kitchen with fridge and the lighter color corian counters. The things you mention, aside from your 2nd A/C from factory, are all after the posted weight. I really should be 100lbs or so of your posted weight, not 400.

The other thing that strikes me as different is the cabinet configuration in the master and in the tv area. Mine looks like this in the master.

As you can see, I have the 4 drawer chest in the bedroom and the front closet doors have been changed.
The tv area looks like this:

With the floor to ceiling cabinets. This maybe where some of the weight difference comes from. Also, my rig have 3 windows going up the side aisle steps. There were many changes in the design of the 365 in 2012. From the time I orderd mine, to receiving it was only 35 days. They had an opening on the line and I took it. It was on the line 4 days after ordering. Within a month of receiving mine, our dealer had 2 more come onto the lot and the changes were obvious. Front closet wall, chest in master BR, wider side aisle, two windows up the steps instead of 3, hydraulic jacks, changes in the placement of the outside fridge(from door under sink to outside kitchen) and a few other minor things. I beleive most of this was done due to weight. That's why I am going back to my dealer and contact my factory rep to ask "what's up and WHY!"
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:38 PM   #30
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GolfMedik. I also have the same 2012 model as you, with the interior configured this way. We installed the whirlpool washer and dryer (more weight) but actually like the bedroom configured the way your and my models are. I also like our outside kitchen with the fridge installed in it's own cabinet. The window, I could do with or without. When the door is open, it blocks that window anyway. Also in the livingroom, the large glass cabinet, ours came with smoked glass which I like a lot, and we keep games and stuff in there. When it comes down to it, The only thing I like a lot more on the new configuration is the upper kitchen cabinets. They quoted me almost 1550 to send me new uppers. I don't understand how they can be that expensive, therefore I am not upgrading. I'll spend the money on the axles first. Also wondering what the factory rep was going to get to when asking supercab if he was overloading his unit. I wonder if they will have an option for some of us to get upgraded axles without paying a ton... then again, they're in business to make money. Just wondering what to do. Supercab79, do you know who you spoke to, at least since you finally talked to someone who knows something, we could talk to the same person. Even better if we don't bring up the forum, they might really realize they have left us a little handicap'd on cargo carrying capacity.
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