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Old 10-31-2012, 11:21 PM   #61
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That's is not an official web site. That is a private site just like this one. Ky follows the federal laws. Ky has no added laws above the federal laws. I will call my contacts tomorrow just to make sure and let you know. My contact is a DOT auditor.
That would be awesome. Thanks
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:26 PM   #62
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I own a 2013 365 saq. I haven't kept up with this thread. Can you please tell me in simple terms what the problem is with the unit and what needs to be done to fix it??
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The 365s are too heavy for the 6000lb axles under them. They do not provide an adequate cargo carrying capacity before they are over weight. From the factory mine weighed over 13000 pounds. They should have bigger axles under them for us to be legal as we pull them.
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:12 AM   #63
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Yeah, The GVWR on them is dumb. But even if you had a 15,000# GVWR with a 20% pin weight the axles would still be with in their rating. Have you ever weighed just your axles? The bad thing about a bunk house unit that long is they are hard to load to get that 20%.
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:01 AM   #64
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Yeah, The GVWR on them is dumb. But even if you had a 15,000# GVWR with a 20% pin weight the axles would still be with in their rating. Have you ever weighed just your axles? The bad thing about a bunk house unit that long is they are hard to load to get that 20%.
The GVWR on ours is 14000, with an unloaded pin weight of 2060 pounds on 6 k axles!

The law changed in '08 as to how they are marked. It is covered well over on RV.net. The FMVSS 571.120 para. S10 is correct and was new as of 6/15/'08. FMVSS 571/S10 fed safety requirements are not being met by all manufacturers yet which can be detrimental to buyers not knowing the law.

I agree about the weight in a bunkhouse. Unless you move most of your belongings forward of the axles, you don't put that much weight on the pin. If you read back through all these posts, you will see that my camper has less than a 150 pound cargo carrying capacity after adding water and BEFORE anything is put into the camper. That is what I and other Sandpiper/Sierra 365 owners are facing currently. A brand new one weighed by FR last week with nothing in it weighed 12905 pounds coming off the line. This is with 6k axles and a camper built to sleep 8-12 people.
The ball is rolling as far as mine is concerned, I just hope we get a decent resolution. So far, they have been very pleasant to work with.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:24 AM   #65
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Just got off the phone with the Kentucky state police. NO privately owned/operated recreational vehicle is required to stop at any weigh station in Kentucky. Commercial motorcoaches ARE now being required to stop, this is for Greyhounds, bus tours, etc. There is also no intent on requiring RVs to do so. This was straight from a Major in the Kentucky state police. There are no signs stating "RVs" must enter weigh stations, the signs dictate that "Commercial Motorcoaches" must enter. Hopefully this will ease some of the anxiety.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:53 AM   #66
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Just got off the phone with the Kentucky state police. NO privately owned/operated recreational vehicle is required to stop at any weigh station in Kentucky. Commercial motorcoaches ARE now being required to stop, this is for Greyhounds, bus tours, etc. There is also no intent on requiring RVs to do so. This was straight from a Major in the Kentucky state police. There are no signs stating "RVs" must enter weigh stations, the signs dictate that "Commercial Motorcoaches" must enter. Hopefully this will ease some of the anxiety.
OK...that makes more sense. I called my contact at FR and He stated that the carriers that deliver the trailers are required but not private. You are correct. Thank you for clearing that up. However it still doesn't ease my mind as far as mine being over weight. Still worried if I have an accident with an injury, I will be cited whether my fault or not due to weight and ratings on trailer. Also have to worry about other issues after the accident like insurance and claims. Trying not to be paranoid and acting like the "weight police" but I carry my family while traveling as most of you do. And if the trailer is not designed to be as heavy as it is, that really worries me.
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:18 AM   #67
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I honestly think the trailer is designed, (at least I'm hoping), to be able to handle the weight. I just think that in an effort to keep the posted limits down, thus making it more accessible to wider variety of tow vehicles, they capped the limit with 6k axles. Pushing the 16k mark would eliminate 3/4 ton trucks and a lot of sales potential.
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I honestly think the trailer is designed, (at least I'm hoping), to be able to handle the weight. I just think that in an effort to keep the posted limits down, thus making it more accessible to wider variety of tow vehicles, they capped the limit with 6k axles. Pushing the 16k mark would eliminate 3/4 ton trucks and a lot of sales potential.

It seems to me that, it would open up FR to liability claims and they would be at fault if the authorities get involved if there is an accident.

Just as Golfmedik has said he has like 150 lbs left to put his stuff in. That is just not right.
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Completely agree, and if this goes through with him getting new axles, I'm going to try also, even with a supposed 1300lbs of cargo available (haven't weighed yet). I don't think liability would fall back to FR because someone overloaded their trailer. I just think the build is there for 7k axles (which is why they are offering them on new ones), but they intentionally limited the GWR with 6k axles to be able to sell to a broader market. If they were sold with only 7k axles, my dealer may not have sold one to me because the GWR would more than likely be over my gross towing limit, and liability would exist at that point.
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:56 AM   #70
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That would be awesome. Thanks
I just got off the phone with the scale house and like in the other post, (Commercial vehicles only). He said if you wanted to pull in to wave at him or just say hi that would be fine but he said they have no jurisdiction over the weight of private use vehicles.
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